The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Softball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 12:41pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,672
Here is another reason to keep your conversations with your partner private:

There have been times when I have been asked to get help on a call that I have no intention of changing because I had the entire play. As a game management technique, I will go to my partner in private away from the rest of the participants and say something like...."D*mn, it's hot today", or "So, whose turn to buy after the game?"

I will then turn to the coach and announce that the call stands. Let's play ball!

Before I start getting flamed, I have no problem with discussing a call with a coach and letting him know exactly why I called what I called and telling him that No, I'm not going to my partner on that one.

If I use the technique above, it's because the game has been smooth to that point and I have chosen not to interrupt that flow. The coach gets his request that I talk to my partner and we go from there.
__________________
It's what you learn after you think you know it all that's important!
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 12:53pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Metro Atlanta
Posts: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota
What am I missing? What I am trying to say is that if BU calls BR out at 1B, but F3 pulled foot, and coach asks BU to go for help, that this is a proper appeal for Bu go PU. If PU saw the pulled foot BU would have the chance to reverse his call to safe. The conversation between BU and PU would be just between the two of them.
__________________
Tony
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 12:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Little Elm, TX (NW Dallas)
Posts: 4,047
Tony ... a coach asking you to go for help is not an appeal at all... it's a coach asking you to go for help.
__________________
"Many baseball fans look upon an umpire as a sort of necessary evil to the luxury of baseball, like the odor that follows an automobile." - Hall of Fame Pitcher Christy Mathewson
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 01:07pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 4,361
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
There have been times when I have been asked to get help on a call that I have no intention of changing because I had the entire play. As a game management technique, I will go to my partner in private away from the rest of the participants and say something like...."D*mn, it's hot today", or "So, whose turn to buy after the game?"
One of my fellow umpires told me this story. He made a judgment call on his base that he absolutely knew was correct. The coach asked him to talk with his partner about it, so he motioned to the other ump to approach. They met in the middle, and my fellow umpire asked under his breath, "do you like hot dogs?" "Yeah, I like hot dogs." "They're good, aren't they?" "Yeah, they certainly are." All the coaches could see was two umpires talking to each other, nodding their heads. In the end, the call stood, and the coach went away happy.

I see no real harm in doing this (as long as you're POSITIVE no one can hear you). If it's your call, and you are 110% certain of what you saw, there's little point in asking another umpire his/her opinion, other than to soothe a coach's ruffled feathers. I'm not saying let the coaches run the game by any means, but sometimes, to keep the peace on a tight play in a hot game, appearances can mean a lot.

Just don't do this.
__________________
Dave

I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 01:23pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Metro Atlanta
Posts: 870
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcrowder
Tony ... a coach asking you to go for help is not an appeal at all... it's a coach asking you to go for help.
I was wrong in thinking that a Pulled Foot was one of the four legitimate appeals. I had
1. Missed base
2. Pulled Foot
3. Tag up
4. BOO

Don't know where I came up with Pulled Foot as an appeal. I stand corrected that this is simply asking for help.

Even more puzzling was to read "Attempting to advance to 2B after making a turn at 1B."

What is scary is that I do not recall ever seeing this, nor can I interpret what this really means.
__________________
Tony
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 02:14pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 14,565
If you were in the proper position and were 110% sure of the call, why are you going to your partner for help? I will not hesitate going to my partner for help if there is even a remote chance that there may have been something I did not see. But I will not go just for the sake of making a coach feel warm and fuzzy all over.

However, I've seen coaches and players ask a BU inside the diamond to go for help on a tag play at 2B in a 2-umpire game. "No, Coach. I had this play from start to finish."
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 02:38pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Sherman, TX
Posts: 4,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
If you were in the proper position and were 110% sure of the call, why are you going to your partner for help?
I had the same question.
__________________
Scott


It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it.
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Wed May 09, 2007, 03:05pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 4,361
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
If you were in the proper position and were 110% sure of the call, why are you going to your partner for help? I will not hesitate going to my partner for help if there is even a remote chance that there may have been something I did not see. But I will not go just for the sake of making a coach feel warm and fuzzy all over.

However, I've seen coaches and players ask a BU inside the diamond to go for help on a tag play at 2B in a 2-umpire game. "No, Coach. I had this play from start to finish."
Like I said... There's little point in doing so. All depends on how much you care if the coach's feathers are ruffled. Personally, my "give a d@mn" sign for coaches' and players' egos has been out for repair for a long time. Don't let the coach run you. If it's yours, it's yours. Make the call and stick to it. If the coach asks, and you have doubts, then ask your partner.

That's what I was trying to get at.
__________________
Dave

I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.

Last edited by NCASAUmp; Wed May 09, 2007 at 03:08pm.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Delayed foul call hbioteach Basketball 9 Fri Mar 16, 2007 09:43am
Signaling Delayed FT Violation Rick Durkee Basketball 16 Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:12am
Delayed 5th foul call abode Basketball 4 Tue Jan 16, 2007 06:24am
Delayed Whistle Almost Always Right Basketball 28 Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:07pm
Delayed Entry Just Curious Basketball 13 Sun Dec 09, 2001 10:09pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1