Background Checks

[SergioJ]

Okay, this was beat up quite a bit in a previous post. My question concerns the cost of these background checks (hence, a different post). For those associations/organizations whose officials are having background checks done on them, who is paying? My concern is, if schools/leagues start mandating these background checks, then do I as an official have to pay for this check, or should the schools/leagues pay (or at least share the cost)?

Remember, this post just covers the cost of these checks. Nothing about legal/illegal, privacy invasions, etc. I think that was WELL discussed in the earlier post.

Thanks!

Serg

[AtlUmpSteve]

Here in the Atlanta area, one agency passed a resolution requiring all officials in the youth programs to undergo background checks. The several organizations serving their softball programs advised that 1) this would seriously curtail the available pool of umpires, because we anticipated a substantial rate of refusal, 2) this would make "borrowing" umpires from other associations an impossibility, so they should anticipate times without coverage with that policy, 3) the umpires who would grant permission would not pay for their decision to require this. The best part of the "resolution" was that this agency ran the fields, but had independent youth associations who ran the leagues, so they were mandating this requirement (and expense) to others to implement.

Since that time, the youth association I contracted with disbanded, so I have no first hand knowledge of any further action. I do work (and so do others in my association) at youth tournaments held by that agency, and none of us have been asked to agree to background checks. I suspect that means the other umpire association that handles the contract directly with that agency either refused, or made it so difficult and costly to the agency that it reconsidered its position. In this case, they may have been in a position of having to run programs and tournaments without ANY umpires, because the umpires were NOT going to pay.

[bigsig]

A BGC is NOT required by our local ASA yet, but is required of every official in NY State to officiate school (Section) games. This one time cost is $100 (3 years ago)and is paid by the official.

We have had a few ASA and PONY tournaments who requested only umpires from Section, but I'm not sure that was a BGC issue.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by SergioJ

Okay, this was beat up quite a bit in a previous post. My question concerns the cost of these background checks (hence, a different post). For those associations/organizations whose officials are having background checks done on them, who is paying? My concern is, if schools/leagues start mandating these background checks, then do I as an official have to pay for this check, or should the schools/leagues pay (or at least share the cost)?

Remember, this post just covers the cost of these checks. Nothing about legal/illegal, privacy invasions, etc. I think that was WELL discussed in the earlier post.

Thanks!

Serg

I am surprised that other Florida HS umpires haven't chimed in on this subject.

In 2005, Florida passed the Jessica Lunsford Act. (She was kidnapped and murdered by a sexual predator a few years ago.) One of the consequences is that HS officials are required to have background checks and have special photo IDs with them when they arrive at any school.

In the Panhandle, the Lunsford clearance costs $105.00 and the clearance is good for five years. In almost every case, the officials foot the bill. FHSAA will refund $34.00 for first year offcials.

[bluezebra]

A few years ago, I joined a local high school as a volunteer assistant baseball coach. I had to get clearance from the local law enforcement agency (sheriff's department). The fee, including fingerprinting, was a whopping $10.00.

Bob

[SWFLguy]

Here in SW FL we all registered and were fingerprinted at a cost
of (I thnk) $60, which was picked up by FHSAA and our local school board.
That was in the fall of 2005 and for football we were issued an ID tag of sorts. No one ever asked me for my ID at any time. When softball season 2006 rolled around, I was good to go as I had registered for football.
When football season last year (2006) came returning officials did not have to do anything, and the same for this 2007 softball season. I don't recall anyone saying anything about an expiration date for our registration.

[SergioJ]

Originally Posted by SWFLguy

Here in SW FL we all registered and were fingerprinted at a cost
of (I thnk) $60, which was picked up by FHSAA and our local school board.
That was in the fall of 2005 and for football we were issued an ID tag of sorts. No one ever asked me for my ID at any time. When softball season 2006 rolled around, I was good to go as I had registered for football.
When football season last year (2006) came returning officials did not have to do anything, and the same for this 2007 softball season. I don't recall anyone saying anything about an expiration date for our registration.

Did your association dues go up to offset the cost?

Our local association is looking into doing this, but trying to get as much info as possible before doing it. Have heard that some schools will mandate this in their new contracts, but not all schools are still on board with this yet. But can see this coming in the very near future for all schools.

Thanks everybody for all the info.

Serg

[DaveASA/FED]

This is the area where I personally have the issue with this whole idea. I don't have an issue with having a background check done, I have nothing to hide. I understand the point that this does not ensure everyone is good as several others have pointed out in the last thread on this topic. I also understand everyones right to freedom, I just feel that if it does keep one incident from happening then it is worth it. Again just my feeling, this is the USA so everyone has a right to their own opinion.

More to this post my issue with this is the cost of these checks. I have a real issue paying for this myself. I have nothing to hide but this I feel is a guilty until proven innocent and I have to pay to prove I am innocent then I have an issue with it. And personally I don't think there is an organization out there that has an overage in $$ that they can afford to pay for this, whether it is $10 or $100 an official without raising association/registration fees. Which in turn means I am still paying for it!!!!!

[scottk_61]

I am in the Tampa area, and the cost to us is entirely out of our pocket.
Different counties have dealt differently with this issue.
Our association (local) keeps its dues very low and thus we have no money to help out with the cost.
the state association (FHSAA) does give a rebate on first year officials on the normal registration fees. This also included all of us having to have it done last year.
The background check is good for five years as best I can remember, so the cost isn't so bad.
However, every county in the state charges a different rate, and some counties tried to make you have the check done in each county you worked in.
Not a problem for most of our umps as we have 27 or 28 public high schools thus you dont need to cross county lines unless you want to.
this has supposedly been straightened out but time will tell.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by SergioJ

Remember, this post just covers the cost of these checks. Nothing about legal/illegal, privacy invasions, etc. I think that was WELL discussed in the earlier post.

Thanks!

Serg

Say, Serg, how's this working out so far?

[JEL]

Background check irony......

The Mrs. runs a child day care business from our home. She had to have a criminal background check, as well as myself because I live here. I can understand that, and because at times I help out with the childcare really have no problems with that. Cost was about $25.00 for her, $8.00 for me (I wasn't required to have the fingerprinting.

When the three daughters turned 18, they also had to have the background checks done which seemed a bit nitpicky. At 17 years, 364 days they were OK, but one day later, possible criminals! Cost there was about $8.00 each also.

Here is where the laws get flaky...

If there is ever a repairman in or around the house, she is required to also have a criminal background check on them! I work from home also and should have checks on my customers. If the mailman, or UPS delivers a package, there should be a check for them as well. (They could "expose themselves to the children through the window" was the state inspectors response!). Even at $8.00 a pop, that could get to be expensive.

By the way, she is not required to send these checks to any agency, just have them on file.

So anyway, that is the cost for those. Can't see why it should cost anymore than that, after all, we are trying to protect the kids, right?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by JEL

...after all, we are trying to protect the kids, right?

No, we are trying to pretend we are trying to protect the kids.