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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 01:34pm
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Need a bit of help here....

My fellow umpires are split on this.
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Batter hits the ball which hits the plate and rebounds high behind her and the catcher. Catcher makes a play on the ball and catches it before it hits the ground or anything else in foul territory. Question, fair or foul ball? If you can, please site the reference/rules book...
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 01:51pm
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My fellow umpires are split on this.
Situation:
Batter hits the ball which hits the plate and rebounds high behind her and the catcher. Catcher makes a play on the ball and catches it before it hits the ground or anything else in foul territory. Question, fair or foul ball? If you can, please site the reference/rules book...
thanks, Booker227
Foul ball. Fair/Foul depends on the position of the ball when the defender touches it. This is no different than a ball that would hit the plate and roll behind the catcher and be picked up. Am I missing something here? You have umpires that are split on this??
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 02:01pm
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Yup. Foul ball. Not sure where the "argument" is coming from on this one.
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 03:42pm
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My fellow umpires are split on this.
Situation:
Batter hits the ball which hits the plate and rebounds high behind her and the catcher. Catcher makes a play on the ball and catches it before it hits the ground or anything else in foul territory. Question, fair or foul ball? If you can, please site the reference/rules book...
thanks, Booker227
Booker,
What are we missing with this? An untouched, batted ball is touched by a fielder in foul territory - why is there an argument/disagreement on fair/foul on this?

I can't cite a rule for you as you forgot to tell us what rules you're using. But I'd start with the definition in any sanctioning body's rule book.
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 05:09pm
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What you guys are missing is that the plate is not part of the ground.

Personally, I'm calling a foul tip.
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 05:39pm
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Am I missing something here? You have umpires that are split on this??
They must be gymnasts.
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 05:43pm
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Assuming "behind her and the catcher" means in foul ground and the catcher's contact point is still over foul ground when contact occurs, the answers are correct and your "gymnasts" are "off the beam".

I'm hoping they are just overreaching in trying to correct the "home plate is foul" myth.
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 06:56pm
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What you guys are missing is that the plate is not part of the ground.

Personally, I'm calling a foul tip.
Sharply and directly from the bat to the glove... hmmm...
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 07:29pm
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What you guys are missing is that the plate is not part of the ground.

Personally, I'm calling a foul tip.
First, bouncing off the plate and then being caught by F2 does not meet the "Foul Tip" criteria (see definition of a Foul Tip).

So using your definition that if the ball hit the plate it did not hit the ground then you'd have a foul ball that was caught by F2. So you'd call the batter out right?
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 09:03pm
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First, bouncing off the plate and then being caught by F2 does not meet the "Foul Tip" criteria (see definition of a Foul Tip).

So using your definition that if the ball hit the plate it did not hit the ground then you'd have a foul ball that was caught by F2. So you'd call the batter out right?
I guess absurdity is not your brand of humor?
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Old Mon Dec 04, 2006, 09:06pm
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Sharply and directly from the bat to the glove... hmmm...
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Old Tue Dec 05, 2006, 08:09am
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I guess absurdity is not your brand of humor?
What's more absurd than "if the ball hit the plate it did not hit the ground then you'd have a foul ball that was caught by F2"?
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Old Tue Dec 05, 2006, 08:51am
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My fellow umpires are split on this.
Situation:
Batter hits the ball which hits the plate and rebounds high behind her and the catcher. Catcher makes a play on the ball and catches it before it hits the ground or anything else in foul territory. Question, fair or foul ball? If you can, please site the reference/rules book...
thanks, Booker227
So theoretically.. this ball also bounced far behind the umpire..

And umpires you know are split on what to rule?

Why? What is the argument? We got nothing else to do on this board.. I'd like to hear this.
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Old Tue Dec 05, 2006, 09:17am
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Come on Booker....inquiring minds want to know what the argument was about.
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Old Tue Dec 05, 2006, 12:09pm
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Am I the only one that realized Dakota was funning? Are umpires really that uptight?
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