Courtesy Runner in ITB

[CecilOne]

I know we discussed this earlier this year, but I can't find the topic. If you know which one or remember our conclusion, please post it.

If the runner placed on 2nd for ITB is the pitcher or catcher, can a CR be used? I think the issue was whether this is considered "reaching base safely". I think it is, which would allow the CR, but I don't remember if there was a conflicting interpretation.

[Mountaineer]

We've had this discussion locally as well. I don't see why it couldn't be used and we've actually allowed it locally in NF games.

If the player was actually the pitcher or the catch in the previous half inning it is okay or if the team has a legal substitute.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by goldcoastump

If the player was actually the pitcher or the catch in the previous half inning it is okay

I was assuming all the other provisions of the rule.

Originally Posted by goldcoastump

or if the team has a legal substitute.

???

[MNBlue]

ASA 8.10.A
The team at bat may use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and/or the catcher at any time...

NFHS
8.9.2
...The pitcher or catcher must bat and reach base legally (or earn their way on base) in order to be eligible for a courtesy runner.

To answer the OP, I would allow it in an ASA game, but if it was an NFHS game using the ITB, I would not allow it. I wouldn't consider the runner to have had earned her way on base.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

ASA 8.10.A
The team at bat may use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and/or the catcher at any time...

NFHS
8.9.2
...The pitcher or catcher must bat and reach base legally (or earn their way on base) in order to be eligible for a courtesy runner.

To answer the OP, I would allow it in an ASA game, but if it was an NFHS game using the ITB, I would not allow it. I wouldn't consider the runner to have had earned her way on base.

Why not? She earned her way on base because she is the person preceding the batter leading off the inning.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

ASA 8.10.A
The team at bat may use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and/or the catcher at any time...

NFHS
8.9.2
...The pitcher or catcher must bat and reach base legally (or earn their way on base) in order to be eligible for a courtesy runner.

To answer the OP, I would allow it in an ASA game, but if it was an NFHS game using the ITB, I would not allow it. I wouldn't consider the runner to have had earned her way on base.

Thanks, Mark, that's the difference I was looking for.
PONY has not added that NFHS wording, so a CR in that case in PONY would be ok.