The Play

[IRISHMAFIA]

I've done a little editing for an easier read, but Tom McCarville originally posted the play on Eteamz.

Start of play score = 9-7 top of 6th, favor the "D".

Sacs loaded. One out. Obvious extra base hit possibility by "BR".
R1 from 3rd scores. R2 from 2nd comes home looks like 9-9 but missed 3rd base on the way home.

R3 from 1st had also scored on the play.
At that point it looks like 10-9 for the "O" team.

"BR" going into 2nd after touching 1st base slows up when ball gets to the infield near 2nd base & gets in a "pickle".

"BR" got caught in a run down". Ruled out by running out of the baseline.
Out # 2.

That runner was ruled out after the R3 from 1st scored.
No runners on base & 10-9 score favoring the "O".

Then the "D" calls for an appeal on R2 for missing 3rd.

Ump rules "OUT". Then stated 3rd out & only the 1st runner scored because R2 actually made the 3rd out on appeal, therefore the following "R"'s couldn't score.
Ending top of the 6th with score 9-8 favoring the "D".
"O" wants to protest the Umps ruling.

Ump takes protest.

After the discussion re: the ruling,
he calls game because its to dark to continue.
Game over 9-8 & old "D" wins the game as "O" protests the win.

[Dakota]

I've got to restate this for my own clarity.

R1, R2, R3. Score 9-7. O has 7. 1 out.

R1, R2, R3 cross home. BR tagged out between 1st and 2nd for the 2nd out.

R2 is appealed for missing 3B. R2 declared out on appeal for the 3rd out.

R2's score is nullified.
R3's score is nullified (ASA 5-3-B-3 2005 book; 2006 book is at home).

Protest rejected.

Mike R, why is this not correct?

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After I posted the above on etz, I noticed Mike's reply that he was focused on the force aspect.

[mcrowder]

To me there are two issues.

One is - if the appeal out is a force, no runs score. I believe there's a direct quote in the book that says that the status of the play AT THE TIME OF THE APPEAL is what matters (as opposed to OBR Baseball's "at the time of the runner reaching the base" timing). In fact, I think the book specifically says that if BR is put out behind the runner in question, that the appeal is no longer a force for the purposes of this rule.

The second is - does the succeeding runner (r3 on first) score. I believe 5-5-c is the right rule, but if not, it's close to that. It says something along the lines of "No run shall score if a preceding runner is called out on appeal for the 3rd out".

So I have 1 run scoring on this play.

[shipwreck]

I also have one run scoring. Dave

[CecilOne]

I agree based on "No run shall score if a preceding runner is called out on appeal for the 3rd out""; but if I was ruling on the protest, I would have to double-check on whether it applied to whatever rule set was involved.

OK, but it must be something not obvious or Mike wouldn't have posted it.

[DaveASA/FED]

What I am wondering is if that out is not considered a "force" out for nullifying runs since at the time she missed the base she would have only been the 2nd out. So if in this play the BR would have been safe at 2nd and there was an appeal, we would have 2 runs score correct?

So since the appeal came after the runners scored, and the BR had a timing type play for the 2nd out at the time, but 3rd out in actuality as the runner had already missed 3rd base and had an out (2nd out) waiting for appeal.

Thinking through the 4th out appeal rule to nullify runs, the only reason you can nullify all the runs is if the missed base was one that the runner was forced to and their missing the base was the 3rd out of the inning. So why I brought this up is my thinking is in the OP the runner missing 3rd would have only been the 2nd out of the inning, thus the R1 and R3's runs score.

[rodan55]

The protest is not upheld. The correct ruling was made. R1 scores, The tag on BR is the second out and R2 is the 3rd out on appeal, nullifying that run and the succeeding runner R1. As for ending the game due to darkness, that is correct. The game becomes official after 5 innings and since the visitors batted in the sixth and did not tie or go ahead, we have a ballgame.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rodan55

The protest is not upheld. The correct ruling was made. R1 scores, The tag on BR is the second out and R2 is the 3rd out on appeal, nullifying that run and the succeeding runner R1. As for ending the game due to darkness, that is correct. The game becomes official after 5 innings and since the visitors batted in the sixth and did not tie or go ahead, we have a ballgame.

Of course, you are assuming local rules. Championship play is nothing more than a suspension until the game can be resumed.