|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 10:49am
|
|||
|
|||
I have been a coach, umpire and tournament director. After many years from each position I have had the opportunity to watch many games.
I would like to know what the average number of coaches that you have ejected from a game over the course of a year, or 5 year period. Please state if this was high school, rec. ball, tournament games or something different. If you have tossed a good number of coaches, what was the circumstances? 
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 11:00am
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 11:23am
|
|||
|
|||
|
1 in 8 years. He deserved it (without going into the circumstances). Were there others that may have been as deserving? Maybe, but generally the stern warning seems to work and if the coach is just being stupid, I let him look stupid. I do my best to ignore ignorance, unless it becomes personal or derogatory.
By the way for me we're talking Fed, ASA, NSA and various rec situations. Almost all are youth oriented.
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 12:04pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
OK, I might just have to amend this to "how many coaches have tossed themselves" while you were the umpire? Or maybe, "how coaches have you shown the door to"?
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 12:15pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 12:23pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
I'll only answer for FP, 19 years. One assistant in HS was DQ, none in college. In ASA and PONY, I remember three coaches (one a head coach) whom I informed that they had been ejected, all lower age teams. One ASA coach was for a physical attack, ende up in court, fined and banned from coaching in that State.
__________________
Officiating takes more than OJT. It's not our jobs to invent rulings to fit our personal idea of what should and should not be.
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 01:21pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
In my years of umpiring, in HS ball I have benched one assistant, and even then his head coach was wanting him benched to teach him a lesson. In college, 0. In tournaments and rec leagues, I can recall 6.
__________________
Scott It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to have to paint it.
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 01:52pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
One ASA coach was for a physical attack, ended up in court, fined and banned from coaching in that State.
Way to go. I wish that was the rule and not the exception. What state? Did the guy (oops, or gal) actually initiate an attack?
__________________
greymule More whiskey—and fresh horses for my men! Roll Tide!
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 01:58pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
College, none. (They know how, when and where to discuss) High School, none. ( most know the rules) Travel ball: Pony, none. (experienced) NSA, 3. (some knuckleheads) ASA, 6,(all in one tournament, two diffrent teams) Community,6 (two grandparents for swearing at me in the presence of the players, four coaches...same team
My pregame with head coaches: don't argue judegment calls, if it's a rule problem, we'll discuss it and get it right, and keep you assistant coaches under control
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 02:46pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
Proud to say none
I can only speak to FP. I have both umpired and coached.
I have never allowed any coach enough rope to hang him/herself. In NFHS, I have restricted an overly excited coach or 2 to the bench. No college coach has ever crossed the line from rules discussions to a personal attack. Summer coaches can be knuckleheads. However, I haven't ejected any.
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 05:05pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
No offense meant here, but I don't think there should be any pride involved in saying none, just as there shouldn't be for saying 500. Game management is one thing, but if you're considering yourself "proud to say none", I suspect you've not done so when it was appropriate, and made some other umpire's life worse.
I've presided over the ejection of 11 coaches - about 1 per year.
__________________
"Many baseball fans look upon an umpire as a sort of necessary evil to the luxury of baseball, like the odor that follows an automobile." - Hall of Fame Pitcher Christy Mathewson
|
|
Thu Mar 16, 2006, 06:11pm
|
|||
|
|||
|
My 2 cents
1 cent for each year I have been umpiring.
I know that I have just started out in all this stuff but I am now laying the groundwork for how i am going to deal with coaches. I strongly agree with mcrowder on this. We, the officials let too much go. In the softball arena I haven't seen many coaches out of control but lots and lots of chirping. Speaking NFHS we are expected to act professional and appropriate but the coaches act anyway they seem fit. In the back of the Rulebook there is a code of ethics and i believe it is our job to make sure the coaches adhere to it. Not beg,badger,reason, or plead with them to act like adults and role models. I do several sports and the coaches act as badly as the officials let them. Obviously BB is the worse but i just had a game where i had a coach that was acting in a manner that needed to be addressed. I didn't know what to do so I talked to her. If i could have i would have issued a Technical foul. I started a SItch specific thread and my perception was I hould just leave the coaches. Now I am thinking but they are breaking the rules on conduct and I want to address it in a manner that is logical and rules-based. Not pleading, begging, cajoling or soothing their little ruffled feathers cause a call didn"t go their way. Rant Off
|
 |
| Bookmarks |
|
|
Linear Mode
