In a previous post, it was talked about a ball bounding over third base. Here is my question. A hit ball that last touches in foul ground and then crosses over third base or touches third base is a fair or foul ball? Please site rule reference. I have brought this up to numerous umpires and they all say fair ball, but umpires on this site say foul. I always thought it would be a fair ball. Dave

Rule 1.1
 

Rule 1.1, Fair Ball, definition ... and then B...would be description enough.

What umpires on this site call this foul? This is a fair ball.

Mike put it nice and simple for me. Imagine a column of smoke rising from 1st and 3rd base bags. If the ball disturbs the smoke in anyway, it's a fair ball. (Same goes for second base bag).

Hope this helps, it helped me.

Thanks Mike.

Go to the second page of posts and go to the topic "fair or foul" and see what IRISHMAFIA says there. It is the first of his posts to ship. Maybe I am reading it wrong what he is saying. Dave

[Edited by shipwreck on Apr 13th, 2005 at 06:41 PM]

A ball that is hit foul and then bounds over third base is fair?
1) If the ball is hit into foul territory and comes back into fair territory it is foul....
2) If the ball is hit into fair territory and it rolls over the base bag into foul territor it is fair.....
3) If the ball is hit into fair territory, strikes the edge of the bag and goes into foul territory it is foul ...

Show me proof of your answers. I see at least one that I think is incorrect. Dave

The only one that I agree with is #2. Because the ball either "bound" over third base (#1) or "struck" the edge of the bag, which is in fair territory (#3), the ruling would be fair.

In all the rulebooks that I am aware of, the definition of "Fair Ball" give a clear definition. Remember, it does not matter whether the ball first touches fair or foul territory, as long as it does not touch anything foreign to the natural ground in foul territory.

Serg

[Edited by VaASAump on Apr 14th, 2005 at 07:27 AM]

ASA Rule 1 Definitions -Part A, B and C.
I do stand corrected with the first one as described in the ASA casebook Play 1-38.
"When the (hit) ball settles on fair ground between home and 1B or home and 3B, it is a fair ball."
Did I pass the test? <smile>

Take a look at definition for fair ball and foul ball in ASA rules. Both of the B's apply to my case 2. The ball is fair.
A foul ball is dependent also on where it first touches the ground and where it is fielded.

Yeah, but number 2 is the only one you posted that was correct.

Also, for a ball that hasn't yet passed 1st or 3rd base, it does not matter where it first touches the ground - all that matters is where it hits something (Fence, player, glove, etc.... not rock, dirt, sand) or comes to rest.

So, is a ball that last touched in foul ground and then crosses over first or third base fair or foul? I always thought fair but it seems that IRISHMAFIA said in a previous post on page 2 titled "fair or foul?" that it would be foul. Maybe looking at IRISHMAFIA's post again, I am reading wrong what he is saying. Dave

[Edited by shipwreck on Apr 14th, 2005 at 12:18 PM]

1) this is an incomplete scenario, if the ball re entered fair territory without being touched (in foul territory) and before it passed 1st or 3rd base, it is fair.

2) this is a fair ball

3) This is a fair ball, you need to reread your rule book.

This is a fair ball, or as Henry P says, "a good ball"

I don't think Mike would have ever misstated that it would be foul.

So, is a ball that last touched in foul ground and then crosses over first or third base fair or foul? I always thought fair but it seems that IRISHMAFIA said in a previous post on page 2 titled "fair or foul?" that it would be foul. Dave