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It's a plate, not a rubber. There is nothing in the rules about "times past the hip" except (in NFHS) a comment that the ball does not have to be released the first time past the hip. There is no requirement to address the plate or present the ball or any such thing. The requirement in the general category of pitcher preliminary mechanics is she must take the catcer's signs (or appear to take them) with the hands separated, and then bring the hands together for at least 1 sec and no more than 10 sec, and then begin the windup and pitch the ball. Are the hand together when she goes back the first time or are they separated? If separated, it is clearly an illegal pitch (double touch 6-1-4-b) If together, probably also illegal under NFHS, but it would be a judgment on whether the motion is part of the windup or part of the preliminaries. (In ASA, it is legal if the hands have not separated because separating the hands is ASA's division point between the preliminaries and the pitch.) NFHS states that the pitch starts when the hands are separated or the pitcher makes any motion after bring the hands together that is part of the windup. If the windup has started, then the motion violates NFHS 6-1-4-c, namely there is a reversal of the forward motion (other than the allowed backswing). WMB may be along later to provide a better answer.
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Thu Apr 07, 2005, 04:48pm
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Only one thing I'm certain of...
Gozer the Traveler - He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
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I am Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the distructior. Vulgla sal sildraw the travaler has come.
Anyway, she comes up to the hands together at the chest twice durning the course of the pitch. The intent is to throw off the batter. I'm just lost on weather it is illegal or not. Take care, Kenny
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Thu Apr 07, 2005, 05:39pm
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Based on my visualization of your description, wherein the pitcher is bringing the hands together, hands begin their motion back behind, staying together, come back in front of the body, still together, and then separate for the backswing for the windmill, I may be inclined to IP this for NFHS. That is a lot of motion after bringing the hands together and may very well look to the batter (and more importantly, to the umpire) like she has started her delivery. Illegal reversal.
For ASA, this would be legal. There are much more experienced high school umpires on this board than I, however (I just branched out from ASA to school ball last year). WMB? Rachel? Glen?
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Thu Apr 07, 2005, 08:59pm
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If the hands separate and come back together, it is illegal in both ASA (6.3.B) or NFHS (6.4.b).
If the hands do not retouch, it is still illegal due to the stop and reversal of the forward motion (ASA 6.3.C), (NFHS 6.4.c). If the hands stayed together during the first back swing, you could make a case for IP in NFHS, but I think that I would have to see the complete pitching motion a couple times to make my call. As noted, legal in ASA. Whatever, the young lady needs some coaching. Not only to eliminate the IP's, but to become a better pitcher. Too much motion at the begining of the pitch accomplishes little and tends to throw the pitcher out of sync. Too many pitchers do too much up front and then get the stride foot out too soon. When the arm is still at 11:00 or 12:00 when the stride foot lands they become arm throwers. Not good! WMB
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Sat Apr 09, 2005, 05:25am
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Anyway, I think if I called an IP around here (ASA slowpitch), Ild never get called to officiate another game.
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Really slow pitch is a different game. If I forfited every team that had been drinking in my visual sight I wouldnt officiate either... Kinda falls under the ya its a rule but it dont get called unless it is agregious.
Take care, Kenny
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Mon Apr 11, 2005, 09:21am
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rhsc - I was quoting G-Busters because of the name of the original poster (from the other thread) and the title of this thread. Gozer. The name (I'm assuming) came from that quote from Ghostbusters. The speech was from Rick Moranis's character, and one I've memorized ever since.
If that is still not clear, PLEASE don't cross the streams - that would be bad.
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