Three person system..what fun!

FUBLUE · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 06, 2005, 01:20pm

Had an opportunity yesterday to work a three person system. A fellow umpire volunteered his time (well, he was paid a meal...which would have been cheaper to just pay him for the game) to work a little three umpire system. Had a blast!

In the first inning alone we had 3 or 4 rotations where first base umpire was covering home plate.

Just a joy to work this system. I love it! It's going to make it very hard to go back to two-person tomorrow night.

Besides college games, does anyone routinely work three-person during High School system? Only time we see it is at the deeper levels of the state tournament series and if we "volunteer" our time and work a game for free.

JEL · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 06, 2005, 02:03pm

Only do 3 man at HS playoffs. Worked final championship last year with a 6 man crew!

Some tournies/rec games my wife and I will do a "freebie" 3 man just for the practice.

Andy · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 06, 2005, 03:13pm

AZ went to 3-umpire for the HS state playoffs from the quarterfinals thru the championships last year.

For all of our ASA tournaments, we do 3-umpire for the championship games and for championship play, we go to 3-umpire for the last 4-5 games of the tournament.

Our association also holds two 3-umpire classes a year, one in May and one in Sept/Oct. Any umpire that wants to be considered for a 3-umpire game must attend one of these classes.

nzumpire · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 06, 2005, 03:49pm

in NZ we regularly do 3-man.

We also have the "pleasure" of umpiring in 4-man mechanics on a regular basis.

This season we have also had 3 occassions where the 6-man was used.

IRISHMAFIA · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 06, 2005, 04:23pm

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Originally posted by nzumpire
in NZ we regularly do 3-man.

We also have the "pleasure" of umpiring in 4-man mechanics on a regular basis.

This season we have also had 3 occassions where the 6-man was used.

THAT'S IT!!!

You have far too many umpires in NZ. Please transfer some to the State of Delaware in the U.S. We'll treat them well.

Thanks,

NorthAlaUmp · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 06, 2005, 05:10pm

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Originally posted by JEL
Only do 3 man at HS playoffs. Worked final championship last year with a 6 man crew!

How do you stay out of each other's way with 6 umpires out there!!

JEL · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 06, 2005, 07:18pm

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Originally posted by NorthAlaUmp

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Originally posted by JEL
Only do 3 man at HS playoffs. Worked final championship last year with a 6 man crew!

How do you stay out of each other's way with 6 umpires out there!!

Simple, you cover your base, or line and that's it. I had 3B, and the only call I got to make was a missed base appeal on a home run ball! was winning run, and base was touched! It really was easy, but I don't expect GHSA to go to the six man for the regular season!

argodad · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 07, 2005, 11:51am

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Originally posted by FUBLUE

Besides college games, does anyone routinely work three-person during High School system? Only time we see it is at the deeper levels of the state tournament series and if we "volunteer" our time and work a game for free.

In Florida, we use 3-ump mechanics for District playoffs and state tournament. In Pensacola, we've been adding volunteers to as many of our district games as we can so we can practice the rotations before we get to tournament-time. I agree -- it's a better umpired game when you have a crew that knows what it is doing.

IRISHMAFIA · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 07, 2005, 04:06pm

Y'all think a 3-umpire game is fun? Try working it on an 80' field!

MDblue · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 07, 2005, 05:01pm

I must agree with FUblue, it is a joy to work 3 person. I personally enjoy being the rabbit and making the call at 2nd on a steal. For once, everything is there and you don't have to hustle to get into position. It makes everything perfect!

kellerumps · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 07, 2005, 05:06pm

The Mrs. and I work some much 3-Person...Mainly NCAA...that when we get into a 2-Person game it feels really weird and awkward.

Personally, I think 14-U on up should be 3-Person in all state tournaments. I understand the arguments against it....that there is a shortage of umpires, the claim that money is tight, not enough umpires know it, Yada Yada Yada..... I personally don't buy it. If there is a will then there is a way.

SWFLguy · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 07, 2005, 05:14pm

3 man great--- must be a real pleasure
working 4 man !!
but--as was stated here-- you have to
use umpires who know what they are doing !
I worked a play-off game back in CNY years
ago-- I was 3B umpire-- a rotation situation
came up-- I'm over to 2nd-- the runner at 2nd
breaks for 3rd-- I look over and see no Plate U
covering. I had to hustle and was out of position
for a very close call at 3rd.
Thanks to the 1st base umpire who never rotated
and kept the Plate U at home !!
Associations should cover 3-man mechanics if they ever
intend to do it correctly !

azbigdawg · #13 (**permalink**) Thu Apr 07, 2005, 05:29pm

Mike mad\ke a good comment..3man on an 80' field is a PAIN..especially if youre the rabbit.... 4 man works good for that....

FUBLUE · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Apr 08, 2005, 12:54am

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Originally posted by MDblue
I must agree with FUblue, it is a joy to work 3 person. I personally enjoy being the rabbit and making the call at 2nd on a steal. For once, everything is there and you don't have to hustle to get into position. It makes everything perfect!

You haven't hustled in years!!!

Seriously, with three-person the constant "chicken with a head cut off" doesn't happen. You have time to react to situations, think about plays, and make judgments. Great example.

MD and I worked the other day in three person: I'm on dish, "J" on first, MD on third. SItuation: Shot to right field, throw to first. J opens up to see the play from the outside...no time to get inside AND out of the way...and throw goes wild. MD, even with his mild hustle, is waiting at second for the runner. We have a throw, and an out.

In two person system, either BU (J) or I have to bust our rears to get in the best position for that call. In three person, MD is there waiting.

I was moving into a position at third in case of a second overthrow. J was starting to peel a little towards the plate.

ALWAYS AHEAD OF THE RUNNER

In two person, you don't get that as much as you should/would like.

IRISHMAFIA · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Apr 08, 2005, 08:23am

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Originally posted by kellerumps
The Mrs. and I work some much 3-Person...Mainly NCAA...that when we get into a 2-Person game it feels really weird and awkward.

Personally, I think 14-U on up should be 3-Person in all state tournaments. I understand the arguments against it....that there is a shortage of umpires, the claim that money is tight, not enough umpires know it, Yada Yada Yada..... I personally don't buy it. If there is a will then there is a way.

With all due respect, such a broad sweeping comment is out of line.

You obviously are not aware of financial or availability is different parts of the country. I would love to put three umpires on every game, but the bodies just are not there. Period! Even if there were bodies, it doesn't mean they would be capable of working a 3-umpire system. And nothing, NOTHING reflects as poorly on a crew than working a 3-man system with people who do not know how to work it.

And here is a flash for you. In some areas, the tournaments are so small, there ISN'T enough money to use that many umpires per game. People think that the finances of a tournament consist of teams putting in money and the umpires getting paid. Sorry, but it isn't quite that simple.