How would you rule on batting out of Order??

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by nzumpire
ISF Rule 7 Sec 2d Effect 2b states:

" ... Any out that is mnade prior to discovering this infraction, remains out."

Hence the out on B9 stays - He is the 3rd out of the innings.

Further, ISF Rule 8 Sec 9j Effect 4 states:

"Additional out appeals can be made after the third out as long as it is made properly and are made to remove a run."

There is no run being removed here, so it is not applicable to accepting the appeal.

In our game, it is not only the players but also the coaches who are getting smarter.

In this scenario, the defence coach realised batting out of order was the play. He too took a chance that B9 would not be out, prior to the appeal. Undoubtedly if B9 had hit the ball over the fence, the appeal would have disallowed the runs and B7 would have been declared out (as many of you were quick to point out) and the tie-breaker would have seen B8 in the box with B7 on 2nd base.

To take the "easy" way out and quote R10 Sec 1n would not help you when the protest was lodged.

I have no doubt the ruling would be sustained. I quoted ISF for your convenience, but remember who the ISF Dir. of Training and Dir. of Umpires are.

These are men I've been listening to for years at local, regional and national clinics along with the seminar at which I received my ISF certification. You cannot deny the defense the right to appeal a BOO.

Remember, like ASA's book, not every scenario is printed in the ISF rule book.

[debeau]

So now we decide if a team cheats or not .
We can for illegal gloves , bats etc.
Can you say coach you have cheated in batting out of order No 9 is not out .
Hell I can see a protest and in top level in the states if money is involved a court case .
Apply the rules as they are no matter how frustrated you are.
An appeal cannot be taken for a fourth out unless it is to negate a run .
End of story

[scottk_61]

Originally posted by debeau

Can you say coach you have cheated in batting out of order No 9 is not out .

An appeal cannot be taken for a fourth out unless it is to negate a run .
End of story

In the scenario, you are not saying B9 is not out.
You are allowing a proper appeal of batting out of order.
Yes B9 is out but for PURPOSES OF APPEAL, the proper batter is out.
Which will cause the offending team to have to go to the correct batting order next inning which prevents them from "cheating" and skipping the two weaker batters which is what they were trying to do in the first place.
I am very sure that Merle and Henry would uphold this ruling.
I have been taught by them personally and in clinics for many years.
I have been to the ISF school, have worked ISF games etc.
It is as Mike says in his earlier post.

In general situation of a game, "An appeal cannot be taken for a fourth out unless it is to negate a run"
but this is a specific one that comes up different.

I encourage you to contact Merle through the ISF website if you don't think Mike or I am correct.