Dead ball appeals(ASA JO FP).

clueless · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 21, 2005, 08:06pm

Guys, I was curious if a dead ball appeal in ASA JO FP was done in a similiar manner as baseball? For example, an opposing batter hits the ball into the right center gap and cruises in to 2nd for a stand up double. A representative from my team (after the play is over and the ball is back in the pitching circle) requests time and asks the PU for an appeal beacuse she thinks the batter/runner missed touching first base. In this situation, would it be necessary for the pitcher to throw over to first and have the F3 touch the bag before getting a ruling? Also, am I correct in assuming that the ball isn't dead until ruled dead by an ump or it has been returned to the pitching circle with the runner committed to staying on the bag until the ball is pitched?

Thanks for sharing your expertise. I know these are pretty mundane questions. However, a lot of this stuff is still greek to me.

whiskers_ump · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 21, 2005, 08:11pm

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Originally posted by clueless
Guys, I was curious if a dead ball appeal in ASA JO FP was done in a similiar manner as baseball? For example, an opposing batter hits the ball into the right center gap and cruises in to 2nd for a stand up double. A representative from my team (after the play is over and the ball is back in the pitching circle) requests time and asks the PU for an appeal beacuse she thinks the batter/runner missed touching first base. In this situation, would it be necessary for the pitcher to throw over to first and have the F3 touch the bag before getting a ruling? Also, am I correct in assuming that the ball isn't dead until ruled dead by an ump or it has been returned to the pitching circle with the runner committed to staying on the bag until the ball is pitched?

Thanks for sharing your expertise. I know these are pretty mundane questions. However, a lot of this stuff is still greek to me.

Dead ball appeals can be made by any infielder with/without the
ball verbally. This would include the pitcher or catcher.

clueless · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 21, 2005, 08:22pm

O.k., thus the procedure would be calling time and asking for an appeal at first and then get the ruling. All without actually throwing over, is that correct?

whiskers_ump · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 21, 2005, 08:29pm

O.k., thus the procedure would be calling time and asking for an appeal at first and then get the ruling. All without actually throwing over, is that correct?

That would be the correct procedures, otherwise you would have a live
ball appeal.

clueless · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 21, 2005, 09:21pm

Thanks again. This is a great forum. I really appreciate all of the help.

Dakota · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 22, 2005, 01:03am

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Originally posted by clueless
Also, am I correct in assuming that the ball isn't dead until ruled dead by an ump or it has been returned to the pitching circle with the runner committed to staying on the bag until the ball is pitched?

In fastpitch, returning the ball to the circle does not result in a dead ball. The ball remains live. Unless the ball went dead for other reasons (e.g. thrown or hit into dead ball territory) the defense needs to request TIME prior to a dead ball appeal.

clueless · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Mar 22, 2005, 11:04am

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Originally posted by clueless
Also, am I correct in assuming that the ball isn't dead until ruled dead by an ump or it has been returned to the pitching circle with the runner committed to staying on the bag until the ball is pitched?

In fastpitch, returning the ball to the circle does not result in a dead ball. The ball remains live. Unless the ball went dead for other reasons (e.g. thrown or hit into dead ball territory) the defense needs to request TIME prior to a dead ball appeal.

O.k., thanks. I thought I was misinterpreting that. Once again, I appreciate all of the help.