ASA call

[oppool]

All right guys trying to keep things going in here this situation happen to me last year tell me what you think

B1 hits a hard grounder to F4 which muffs it but keeps the ball in front of him I am the PU and following the play down to 1st everybody assumes B1 will run threw 1st but instead decides to take the turn and plows over the unexpecting F3.
I call delayed dead ball and obstruction on the play B1 goes back to 1st this is slow pitch so after I call time I inform now R1 that I am only awarding 1st base because in my judgement he would have not made it to 2nd so R1 is mad at me and the defense team wants me to eject R1 for intentionally running over F3 I advise them I wont that I could not say for sure that R1 intentions was to just run over F3. So on this one I couldnt even make one side happy both were pissed off. Guess that the way it goes sometimes

THANKS AGAIN

Don

[Steve M]

Unless the batter-runner threw a forearm or something along those lines, sounds like the right call to me. F3 has an obligation to make sure that he is not obstructing any runner, especially when he is not part of the play - since there was no play attempted at 1B, he's gota get outa the way. It also sounds like your runner may have been looking for a "cheap" award of 2B

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Sounds like a good call to me Don.

I don't do slow-pitch so I have no experience in the adult games (except for womens FP).

Steve can give you much more guidance there.

I did ask our UIC a few years ago on how to judge intent on flagrant actions by a runner......

His response was......."when it happens and you see it......you'll know it!".

Joel

[Steve M]

Joel,
Believe it or not, I see more "nastiness" in the women's game than I do in the men's game. I agree with your uic, when you see a flagrant act, you'll know that it was flagrant.

[oppool]

Thanks for the replies it came close to be a cheap shot but just couldnt say 100% so I went with the no call the runner was 30 years younger and in much better shape than F3 but you got to stay aware if your goin to play the game.
Just got my new 2001 ASA umpire exam for this year looks like it still has all those good twist in them

Thanks Again

Don

[GOS0170]

My questions would be did the runner go after the fielder and was there intent to injure. If the runner went after the fielder it is an intentional collision and the runner should be called out. If there was intent to injure then the runner is both out and gone. By calling this quickly and loudly you will defuse a potentially nasty situation. It comes down to judgement. Additionally this will occur in adult recreational ball more than anywhere else and adults are bad about it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Nope, you are not going to get an out is ASA ball if F4 never attempted to make a play to F3.

You can toss the runner, but there is nothing to substantiate an out unless there was a play coming that way.