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Mon Aug 23, 2004, 09:24am
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Just finished working the second-largest SP tourney in the U.S. Over the 28 games I did, I heard the following assertions about rules being clearly in the book:
From F4 after he had to throw around a runner in the baseline, 20 feet from 2B: "He has to veer or slide! It's right in the rule book. Veer or slide." From an entire team after a batter hit a long fly, walked halfway back to his dugout, and then proceeded to 1B after F9 dropped the ball: "Hey, Blue, he's out. He gave himself up! Got a rule book? I'll show you the rule." After a pitcher placed his glove over his face while delivering the ball: "He can't do that, Blue. That's deception! The book says he cannot deceive." After I awarded 3B to a runner who was approaching 2B when the throw into DBT left the outfielder's hand: "He gets home, Blue! The throw was from the outfield and he already had 2B made. Aw, come on. It's right in the book." (Note: the 3B coach then said, "Can't you give him home? He has new shoes.") After I called a 7-foot pitch a strike: "Come on, Blue. That was deep. Look where that pitch landed. The book says 18 inches behind the plate!" After a pitcher delivered a legal pitch with a different motion: "He can't do that. That's not his regular motion!" I was waiting to hear, "The hands are part of the bat," but after all, it was SP. Strange that I did not hear, in the right-in-the-book category, "Come on, Blue, the book says he's got to hold the ball for three seconds." Guess that play just didn't come up.
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Mon Aug 23, 2004, 09:55am
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In a "D" (which means D**M BAD) Men's FP tournament this weekend, heard the following, to add to your list:
On ball thrown into DBT on hit to SS: Blue, he's quick, he would have gotten third (this is as I was placing him at second). On a called strike three that was a "gut shot": that's the third time today you've called that on me. (My response: well, duh! Swing at it). On a play where runner was safe at first by a step and a half: How's he safe? (He beat the throw). Just tell me how he's safe. (Again, he beat the throw, in my opinion) He didn't beat the throw! (We're not arguing the call are we?) I'm not arguing but he wasn't safe. (No more, or you go bye-bye and you're team forfeits). On a ball that clearly was over the fence for a homerun, F8 raises hands to signal it bounced. Of course this was after he noticed that the bases were loaded. WHen asked why he didn't raise his hands earlier: I was trying to slide under the fence and catch the ball, hoping you wouldn't see it. WOW
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Mon Aug 23, 2004, 02:20pm
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How come yuz guys don' read da rule buk? Yuz supposed to no the buk. How can yuz ump an not no da buk. Freeekin amazin. Reeally, freeekin amazin. My kid sista calls a bedder game!
 Veer? Really? Which book has the word veer?
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Mon Aug 23, 2004, 02:52pm
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Note: the 3B coach then said, "Can't you give him home? He has new shoes.")
Gotta love a coach that looks out for their players. Michael
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Mon Aug 23, 2004, 09:50pm
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Another to add to the list.
Start of a local Men's FP tournament tonight; batter moves forward to bunt, but pulls bat back. From the defensive bench, "Come on Blue, he's out of the batter's box." Just as quickly from the other side of the field "You don't know what you're talking about - he didn't swing!" WMB
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Mon Aug 23, 2004, 10:03pm
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In a High school game this week, Blue, my catcher threw her glove in front of the palte to fool you, it wasn't catcher obstruction.
This after offensive coach insisted even though we got the play right we missed callin it Immediate Dead Ball. I received a blank stare when I asked him how he could take the results of the play if I called IDB?
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Tue Aug 24, 2004, 11:17am
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Thread has taken a twist
If we're gonna talk about stuff besides "it's in the rule book," I've got my favorite...
High school fast pitch, one of the first games of the season... I'm behind the plate The typical, coach complains about strike zone by saying "Call them both ways, Blue." My response, "Well, if you can wait until we get to the bottom of the first inning, I'll do that." Coach kind of hung his head and looked the other way. Batter cracked up. Catcher was laughing. Fans were snickering.... Play Ball! Gotta love it!
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Tue Aug 24, 2004, 08:58pm
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Re: Thread has taken a twist
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Thu Aug 26, 2004, 07:52am
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Don't know how I could have forgotten this one, from the last day of the tourney:
Runners on 2B and 1B, 1 out. Popup to F4. I call infield fly. Two out. Next batter also hits a pop to F4, who settles under it. Runner on 1B starts walking toward his bench on the 3B side. Coach yells, "Run! You never know!" Runner responds, "Doesn't make any difference. It's infield fly anyway."
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Thu Aug 26, 2004, 07:06pm
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And it raises an interesting scenario... what if the runner reached the bench before the ball came down? Would the runner be out for abondoning the base and the batter still be up to bat at the start of the next inning?
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Thu Aug 26, 2004, 08:20pm
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No. Once the batter put the ball into play, they completed their turn at bat. If the runner is ruled out and the ball is caught, it is irrelevant. If the runner is ruled out and the ball is not caught, the BR if on first, for what it's worth.
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