FP vs. SP base mechanics

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by azbigdawg
...example runners on 1st and 2nd..hard hit shot to short lf....left fielder fields and throws to 3RD!....if youre in C..you have ALL the bases? makes no sense...PU should come up and catch that callfor you, and the better ones do

Speaking ASA

Where did you get this mechanic? Certainly, not from ASA's manual.

[azbigdawg]

read what I wrote mike... its OBVIOUSLY not from the manual, but its OBVIOUSLY the BEST coverage for that particular play..my basic point is that fp mechanics are not divided evenly enough... (in my opinion)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by azbigdawg
read what I wrote mike... its OBVIOUSLY not from the manual, but its OBVIOUSLY the BEST coverage for that particular play..my basic point is that fp mechanics are not divided evenly enough... (in my opinion)

Okay, I read it again. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but I don't think the PU has it any easier if he is doing their job. With the exception of the "first play", I feel there is very little difference in the mechanics on batted balls.

As is your's, JMHO,

[azbigdawg]

its not a point of the PU "having it easier" its a point of giving the base umpire a better chance to cover 1st and 2nd effectively...on that play the PU has nothing to do...having him come up the line and be used effectively is not a bad idea... we use it..it works WELL...

[Elaine "Lady Blue"]

JMHO

If you and your partner are comfortable with what you say, asbigdawg, then do it! I had a great partner (who sadly has passed away) in FP, and I swear we read each other's mind.
And remember, "IF YOU DEVIATE, COMMUNICATE". I know I've heard that in every clinic and National school in ASA that I ever attended.

[azbigdawg]

That is the bottom line maam..anyone who doesnt pregame, or communicate during the game is asking for drama

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by azbigdawg
its not a point of the PU "having it easier" its a point of giving the base umpire a better chance to cover 1st and 2nd effectively...on that play the PU has nothing to do...having him come up the line and be used effectively is not a bad idea... we use it..it works WELL...

Okay, still a bit out of this one. Are you saying that the BU would have 3B on the play from LF? If so, I disagree. That's the PU's all the way.

[azbigdawg]

Im sorry....."Technically" its the B umpire..realisticaly it should be the plate umpire..better angle. We had a few BU get hungout on that one because the PU wouldnt come up ang get it.

[jstark23]

umm, am I missing something or wouldn't this fall into the category of PU has lead runner into the bag at third BU got them going back, I know that that mechanic is used mostly when talking about R1 on first but if PU is working and gets to the holding zone and reads the play he only has to take a step inside the foulline to get the 90 and then release to the bag to make up distance... in order for BU to make that he call he either has to cross a throwing lane (big time no no) or be looking right at someones butt as they slide in, so I think read react and get out of the bucket

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by azbigdawg
Im sorry....."Technically" its the B umpire..realisticaly it should be the plate umpire..better angle. We had a few BU get hungout on that one because the PU wouldnt come up ang get it.

"Technically" pages 244/245 (Two Umpire System, Runners on First and Second Base - Fast Pitch) in ASA's 2004 Umpire Edition will indicate that the PU has the call at 3rd base.

In the scenario, this is NOT "any ball to the infield", so FU 2 does not apply. However, PU 1, 2 & 3 do.

[azbigdawg]

forgive me mike for not being clear.... When I first asked someone about this mechanic, I was told the "first throw" stuff..apparently it had been a mechanic for a while and still is with some people. I just thought it was a foolish one, and didnt make sense.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by azbigdawg
forgive me mike for not being clear.... When I first asked someone about this mechanic, I was told the "first throw" stuff..apparently it had been a mechanic for a while and still is with some people. I just thought it was a foolish one, and didnt make sense.

Darrell,

I don't know whether it is you not being clear or me just not getting the gist of your post. I understand the "first throw", it's just that it only applies to balls in the infield.

I've won bets from "experienced" umpires who insist that no matter what, the PU always has 3rd base. I usually collect in cases of adult beverages