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When a batter is setting up in the box, kicking around dirt and whatnot, and puts their hand towards you, signally what I think of as a "kinda" time out while they are setting, what do you do?
Certain batters at my 14U levels seem to do it, it is not wide spread.. I usually do nothing considering it more of a "gentlemans" time out between that batter and the pitcher.. do you hold your hands up in time out? What got me thinking about it is while watching a team of 12U scrimage themselves yesterday (no ump), A girl had her hand back towards where an ump would be (obviously no ump to hold time), was looking at her foot positioning, the pitcher pitched, and the coach, standing behind the pitcher, called it a strike.. as you can imagine, much to the dismay of the batter. Wondering y'alls thoughts on these type of "time out" while batters set up and how you handle it. 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004, 08:07pm
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If the batter is getting set and has her hand up, I hold my hand up, palm towards the pitcher, indicating to not pitch. If the pitcher goes ahead and pitches, I step to the left (for a right handed batter) and declare "No Pitch!!!" You gotta remember, though, the batter has a set amount of time to get in and get set after you tell her to. I don't hold both hands up, like a time out or dead ball, just indicate to the pitcher, to hold on.
Just when you think you're in charge of the game and everything is great, the pitcher starts to pitch and you realize she never even looked at the hand. A few times like this and the pitcher starts looking to you. In the higher levels, they usually wait for the batter to get ready and then pitch. The pitchers are good enough they don't need to chunk up a quick pitch.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 12:10pm
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What is that set? I don't know that rule. Thanks. mick
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 12:17pm
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Mick:
I believe that what he is referring to is ASA Rule 7:3:B, where it states that the batter must take her position in the batter's box within 10 seconds of being directed to do so by the umpire. That was what I got from it, anyway.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 12:42pm
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On the use of 7-3B, we need to remember the admonishment given to umpires on enforcement of this rule, which putting it in everyday language and adding to it based on my personal reading between the lines says...
"This rule is to prevent delay of the game. Giving warnings is preferred, but the strike call is there for particularly egregious situations. Don't be picky."
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 12:53pm
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Depending on the level, I'll hold up my hand. You can usually tell early in the game if the "gentleman's agreement" between pitcher and batter is going to hold (the pitcher is waiting until the batter is ready, etc.)
If I have a pitcher that likes to work fast, I'll hold the hand up to keep the pitcher from pitching. If the batter is taking to long, I'll encourage her to get going. I just try to read the situation to see if I need to hold up my hand.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 01:25pm
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In mens softball sometimes they put the end of the bat on home plate while they are geting their footing. Its the same as putting up their hand. I don't require a verbal time out, but i only give them a few seconds. If they want to groom the batters box first I tell them to get on with it & hurry up.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 01:39pm
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 01:54pm
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I understand now. The ten seconds is set, but the time leading up to that warning is quite variable. I have never gotten close enough to that situation to even consider going to the 10 second limit. Sometimes, after a batter seems to be taking an awful long time getting a sign, I'll say, "Let's go, batter." I've never said, "You have 10 seconds." mick
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 01:56pm
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I've had the "batter up" in the bathroom, and the coach wants time out. You gotta love this job.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 02:07pm
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I can remember throwing my hankerchief and giving the coach a 10 yard delay of game penalty. Then when the girl finally ran up to bat, about 80 people were taunting her. That was likely to be her biggest embarrasement that year.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 03:14pm
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And the ball is not dead. If a runner has a brain freeze and walks off during this, the runner is out.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 04:21pm
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Cecil - Just food for thought here...do with it what you will!
I was taught not to hold the hand up every time in these situations. If the batter walks into the box with her hand up or wants to get set up, I take a look at the pitcher to see if she is ready to pitch. If not, I don't do anything. If the pitcher looks like she is ready or real close to being ready, then the hand goes up. As FUBLUE stated, read the situation. I was told that if you hold the hand up every time, it becomes part of the landscape and no attention is given to it. If you just put the hand up when necessary, the pitcher is more likely to notice it.
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Thu Mar 25, 2004, 04:46pm
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You are correct. That is the way it is taught at many a clinic.
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