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Mon Mar 08, 2004, 12:44pm
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I know we just discussed this recently, but I can't find the thread or the specifics in the book.
For the case of a batter hit by a batted ball, the result is different if it is fair or foul. We rule it foul if the batter is still in the box. If I have learned it correctly, the batter is considered in the box if either foot is still touching in the box. That would apply even if the part of the batter's body that is hit is over fair ground or one foot has stepped out after batting the ball. Q1. Is that correct? Q2. Is it specified anywhere in any SOFTBALL book (esp. NCAA, NFHS, ASA, PONY) or is it just the accepted intepretation of "in the box"? Q3. Do you know which thread our previous discussion was in?
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Mon Mar 08, 2004, 01:08pm
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Strangely, If you hit the ball with one foot on the ground outside the lines of the batters box, you are deemned "Out of the box". If you are hit by the batted ball with your feet in exactly the same place, you are deemed "In the box"
I do not know any place in the book that describes when you are out of the box (for the purpose of hit by the batted ball). I have to assume it is not until both feet contact the ground outside the lines. One foot out & the other foot airborne is not yet "OUT". I do not recall an earlier thread.
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Mon Mar 08, 2004, 01:15pm
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If the batter is contacted with a fair batted ball outside of the batter's box having taken that first step, the batter is out (Dead ball). All other instances are simply a foul ball.
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Mon Mar 08, 2004, 01:36pm
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Mike, I think that part of the book is talking about what happens once the ball is on the ground in fair territory and then the batter steps on the ball or the ball rolls up against him. I am looking at this as if the ball went straight down into the batters box then popped up in the air & hit the batter when one foot was in & one foot was out of the box. Do you feel that is then a different situation ?
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Mon Mar 08, 2004, 01:48pm
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I stand corected
Then I stand corected.
Anyone know of this being defined in any other book?
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Mon Mar 08, 2004, 01:57pm
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My interpretation is this: If the batter ( part of B-R) is hit with a legally hit fair ball ( meaning she was in the box when she hit the ball ), then all you have is a foul ball; if the runner (part of B-R) iz hif with a fair batted bll, then she is out. So the distinguishing feature is whether the batter has become a runner and the deciding factor (for me) is whether the batter pivot foot has come off the ground or not. If it has then her weight is moving forward and she is a runner, if it has not,then she is still a batter and all you have is a foul ball.
SamC
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Mon Mar 08, 2004, 02:11pm
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The ball must be in fair territory. The batter must have some part of his/her body touching the ground outside of the batter's box when contacted by the fair batted ball. IOW, if the batter's box is a haven for the batter in this scenario. Any part of the batter is out of the box and s/he is contacted by a fair batted ball, they are in violation of 8.2.F.
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