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What if the BR wants to remove a guard from the ankle/shin, get a jacket, change helmets, etc. prior to advancing to 1B? If a coach helps the BR on with a jacket, puts their hand on her shoulder with a word or two of encouragement and turns her toward 1B, are you going to rule the BR out for being assisted? In this situation, there is no good reason to delay a conference, sweeping of the plate, line-up change, etc. As I said, I'm not suggesting you arbitrarily kill the ball. I would be sure that it was obvious no play was imminent. A little preventive umpiring wouldn't hurt anyone in this situation.
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I'll certainly go along with that. With the ball in the circle, no play imminent, and clearly nobody going anywhere, I usually do call time out as a preventive measure, even if runners have not fully returned or advanced to a base.
In such situations (as with BR putting on or adjusting equipment on the way to 1B), the defense can't possibly complain if you call time. All you've done is prevent them from having to think about runners. And the offense obviously can't gripe, either. It doesn't take much experience for an umpire to know when nothing's going to happen. But once as PU in baseball I had 2 out and a slow runner on 2B. Offense 4 runs down. Ball 4 to BR, who starts walking to 1B. Ball goes back to F1. Runner on 2B goes back to 2B and stands on the bag looking at the right field scoreboard as the next batter starts toward the plate. Defensive coach walks toward the mound and asks for time. I grant it. BU screams, "No time!" The entire park looks at him in wonderment. Two seconds later, BR touches 1B, and BU says, "Now time!" It's true that few girls will know to maintain a very slow but continuous motion toward a base. In fact, I've never seen it happen. However, I posited that coaches might start teaching either that or the long delay to 1B to keep the LB rule off.
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Well, this has been fun; livens up a dull winter day. Looks like most of you feel that you have to let the player go (soooo sloooow) - even though you are annoyed or less than pleased with their antics.
But lets start over again. The original purpose of the LB rule was to eliminate the taunting and game playing by runners off base. Seems like my scenero is getting us back into that area again, though technically within the rules. If this was a H.S. game, how many of you would be willing to invoke 3.3 Bench and Field Conduct? 1.0.3: "A player shall not commit any unsporting act to include, but not limited to, behavior in any manner not in accordance with the spirit of fair play." PENALTY: "The umpire shall eject the offender from the game, unless the offense is judged to be of a minor nature. Then the umpire may warn the offender and then eject her if she repeats the offense." WMB
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Thu Jan 15, 2004, 11:54pm
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I feel that advancing or returning extremely slowly is not in the spirit of fair play. However, the "skunk in the outfield" play, ridiculous as it is, is legal.
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ive found that when a player is acting out questionable tactics on the field its usually the result of poor coaching and when u get 2 teams on the same field with the same antics your day lengthens but its to the coach i go posthaste allowing a team to act unfairly on the field or stretch a rule just to stretch it gets my goat chicken? i thought the chicken crossed over cause i was chasing it i love chicken
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pops.
Welcome to the board.  Just a suggestion. Please use punctation marks and Caps key when posting. Really helps the readers. Besides, you don't want Bob (bluezebra) jumping all over you.  Thanks
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Well!@#)&%#$%^&*(%#@$%^*&^%$##
My punctuation sure needs some punching up! And thank you for the welcome.I'll watch my peas and cues from here on out.And i was just learning how to shorten my sentences... Hope i can pick up some interesting rules and regs.I ump mens modified in Cheshire Ct. Lots of fun. Ill watch a bit for now. pops
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Fri Jan 16, 2004, 03:36pm
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Pops:
Let me echo the welcome. You can watch all you want or you can jump right in whenever you feel the inclination!
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Ok folks, how about Rule 4.3.1-d in the 2002 book: A game may be forfeited to the offended team by the umpire when a team persists in tactics designed to delay or shorten the game.
I think that might be worth mentioning to the coach once the gir finally does reach the base, So they might get away with it once, but not a second time. SamC
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I really wouldn't care, but you're talking about beer, man!  Welcome aboard! 
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