USA Softball Exam question

[Tru_in_Blu]

Happy Holidays to everyone.

Very quiet in here lately.

Any discussion on this 2023 USA Softball exam question?

My comments in red.

13) Which of the following events results in a game being forfeited?

a. A male player leaves a Coed game due to injury with no available substitute, leaving females batting back to back. Take an out in the batting order whenever a player leaves the game for any reason other than ejection.
b. A pitcher is removed from the pitching position for excessive conferences and there is not a substitute available. Pitcher can play another position, not ejected.
c. An illegal substitute is entered into the game and there is not a legal substitute available to replace the illegal substitute. RS 51 A game is forfeited to a substitution violation when a player is removed by the umpire returns to the same game as this is use of an illegal player, or if the ejection creates a situation where there are not enough players to continue the game.
d. A runner deliberately and flagrantly runs over a defensive player holding the ball ready to apply the tag on the runner, and there is no available substitute. “Flagrant” results in ejection.

e. All of the above. 4.1.D.1.A; 4.8.A Effect; 4.1.D.2.G

[Robert Goodman]

When both sides want to continue the game, what is the effect of a forfeit? That paid umpires get to leave early?

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

When both sides want to continue the game, what is the effect of a forfeit? That paid umpires get to leave early?

In a sanctioned tournament, that wouldn't happen. I.E. game continues.

In a wreck league game, the game is officially over. If the teams wish to continue in a scrimmage/practice situation, they can do that. The umpires' official duties have ended.

[Cecil4]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

When both sides want to continue the game, what is the effect of a forfeit? That paid umpires get to leave early?

The effect is doing things correctly!

[Tru_in_Blu]

So, nobody wants to venture a guess on how to answer the question?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

So, nobody wants to venture a guess on how to answer the question?

I would say that even if both teams want to continue, if the rulebook says the game is over by forfeit, then the game is over.

ESPECIALLY in sanctioned championship play. We can't invent rulings on the field to make people happy.

[Cecil4]

I just realized that I never got back to this question:, but should be tomorrow.

[Tru_in_Blu]

It seems like some folks are trying to answer a question that was never asked: i.e. what happens when a game is forfeited.

The post originated as a potential discussion of the given answers to question 13 on the USA umpires' exam.

So I'll make it simple: the "correct" answer is "D".

Answer "C" makes things a bit tricky because we can't read into the situation as to the status of the illegal substitute. In a plain vanilla version, the illegal substitute is disqualified and if there is no legal substitute available, then the game continues with an out taken in that spot in the batting order.

If, however, the illegal substitute was previously disqualified in that game and then tried to return, the result would be that the game is forfeited.

(And for all that wish to discuss what happens once a game has been declared a forfeit, have at it. But probably should be a separate thread.)

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by tru_in_blu

so, nobody wants to venture a guess on how to answer the question?

4.8d