When OBS turns into an Illegal Block in the Back

[robbie]

In my opinion, you were totally out of line in with "You can't do that, R1!." My take is you should not speak directly to the player especially in 12U (as we were instructed in Indiana NSA - yes, different, but....)
Given that you did address the player, you caused her advance to be delayed - "R1 rounds 2B, stops to look at me, then continues to 3B where she is caught in a rundown and tagged out in the confusion."
Figuratively you obstructed her further.
Were I the Offensive Coach, I certainly would be calling for an award of 3B and you would be hard pressed to deny that you were contributory.

That said, the eject or no eject is a totally separate issue. You just have to go with gut and circumstances. That said, I would have to be 100% sure it was with intentional malice or I would have simply a 12 year old's reaction.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by robbie

Were I the Offensive Coach, I certainly would be calling for an award of 3B and you would be hard pressed to deny that you were contributory.

My verbalization is not an ASA/USA mechanic, I admit. It's something that I picked up on advice from an NCAA clinician: paraphrased as "When something bad or potentially malicious happens during a live ball by a player which doesn't kill the play, point it out (so the coaches see it) and call it out, so the player knows, too." My call of "You can't do that" was basically a reflex. I had judged her as not reaching 3B prior to the vocalization, when I made the OBS call. I don't feel as though I put her at jeopardy.

Originally Posted by robbie

That said, the eject or no eject is a totally separate issue. You just have to go with gut and circumstances. That said, I would have to be 100% sure it was with intentional malice or I would have simply a 12 year old's reaction.

The gut said eject...but as you point out, I did not have intentional malicious contact...I didn't see the forearms extend, although my partner did. That being said, I don't care what age a player is....they can and should still be ejected for ejectable offenses.

I didn't lose any sleep over NOT ejecting, but if I had to do it again, I probably would. There's no room in the game at any level for running over a fielder with a blindside block.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Can someone please cite from where the terms malicious and intentional are coming?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by teebob21

My verbalization is not an ASA/USA mechanic, I admit. It's something that I picked up on advice from an NCAA clinician: paraphrased as "When something bad or potentially malicious happens during a live ball by a player which doesn't kill the play, point it out (so the coaches see it) and call it out, so the player knows, too." My call of "You can't do that" was basically a reflex. I had judged her as not reaching 3B prior to the vocalization, when I made the OBS call. I don't feel as though I put her at jeopardy.

This must be "new" because I have never heard anything close to this. Maybe after a hard tag with no other action, but not during a live ball.

Is there a reference in the CAA manual?
(read: this sounds like the "clinician" was making this up)

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

(read: this sounds like the "clinician" was making this up)

It wouldn't be the first time....