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Double base
White side and colored side??
Just struck me that this rule is politically incorrect.... And we made the white side "fair" and the colored side "foul." Shame on us. 
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 04:50pm
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Re: Double base
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The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 06:45pm
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Utilize the base as AFA does. One big First Base...
No problems then. glen
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 09:21pm
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Anyone who has seen how rules like this are past at ASA Council will understand that not all the kinks are worked out before they are past. After new rule are past National Staff people like Pollard et.al.work to make the rule as uasable as possible but I dare say we have kicked this rule around more than it ever was at Council. Mike, I am sure you know what I mean. I don't really mean this as criticism of ASA, since I am ASA all the way, but although this rule went through several committees, it probably never went through a complete process that would ferret out all the problems we see in ruling on these plays. Like I said in an earlier post, I am glad this is one that doesn't happen a lot.
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 09:22pm
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Anyone who has seen how rules like this are past at ASA Council will understand that not all the kinks are worked out before they are past. After new rules are past National Staff people like Pollard et.al.work to make the rule as uasable as possible but I dare say we have kicked this rule around more than it ever was at Council. Mike, I am sure you know what I mean. I don't really mean this as criticism of ASA, since I am ASA all the way, but although this rule went through several committees, it probably never went through a complete process that would ferret out all the problems we see in ruling on these plays. Like I said in an earlier post, I am glad this is one that doesn't happen a lot.
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 11:12pm
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Like most rules in most sports, the intention is discussed. Then the path to achieve the goal of satisfying that intention is hammered out. It is passed and the NUS takes a look at it to try to make it as workable and fair as possible without getting overofficious. Then they put it in the book.
Just as everybody relaxes figuring they reached their goal, it is put into action on the field, an alleged adult does something goofy on the field that no one could possibly anticipate and then we all hear a loud, "Damn, why didn't we think of that?!" That's when an interpretation goes out to the RUIC, who in turn, should pass that on to the state/metro UIC, and so on down the line.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 09:21am
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Officiating takes more than OJT. It's not our jobs to invent rulings to fit our personal idea of what should and should not be.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 01:07pm
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White side and colored side??
I think I will recommend to ASA that the terms to be changed to white base and base of color, and that the base of color be moved to the fair side of the line. I think many more corrections are also in order. For example, one might infer from the designation F1 that the pitcher is more important than the players designated by other numbers. Establishing this hierarchy with numbers undoubtedly causes some players to feel uncomfortable and possibly to lose self-esteem. Suggestions for new designations, anyone? And do we really want to speak of an outfielder who gunned down a runner?
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greymule More whiskey—and fresh horses for my men! Roll Tide!
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 06:19pm
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In baseball originally, the foul line split first and third, but that cause too much problems; the base was moved in fair territory.
In the US originally, there was belief that a color of ones skin was more important than the content of their character; some still find humor in today's efforts to overcome that archaic thinking. I personally favor moving forward with eliminating the double first base and the double entondras.
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