Adding players to a lineup

[bainsey]

ASA Co-Ed Slow Pitch.

Team A starts with nine players, bats nine.

After the lead-off hitter bats a second time, other A players arrive. A captain wants to add them to the line-up. Umpire forbids this. A captain seeks B captain's consent. Is there anything that may allow this?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by bainsey

ASA Co-Ed Slow Pitch.

Team A starts with nine players, bats nine.

After the lead-off hitter bats a second time, other A players arrive. A captain wants to add them to the line-up. Umpire forbids this. A captain seeks B captain's consent. Is there anything that may allow this?

USA Rule 4-1-A-2, 4-1-D-2-B & G

The gist of these rules is late arriving roster members may be added to the eligible sub list at any time, that if playing shorthanded and an eligible sub arrives the player must be entered into the empty spot in the lineup, and that co-ed lineup and defensive field position rules must still be followed. (caveat: I don't do slow pitch.)

[Big Slick]

Dakota is correct, playing under championship rules, a team is allowed to (and must) start short handed if they have one player below the minimum. The blank spot is at the bottom of the line up (or "next to bottom" for co-ed purposes) and must be filled when the person arrives, or that person is ineligible to play.

I stress "championship rules"; I dare believe this was a league game and there are most likely league rules that allow or not allow late arrivals and/or with or without penalty.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

The blank spot is at the bottom of the line up (or "next to bottom" for co-ed purposes) and must be filled when the person arrives, or that person is ineligible to play.

Okay, then using this rule set, let's say nine have batted, the 10th hasn't arrived yet, and we go back to the top of the order. (Our league allows three or four women to bat, and the alternating stops when you run out of one gender or the other.) That team is locked in with nine batters, correct? A tenth could not be added to the lineup or the field, correct?

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, then using this rule set, let's say nine have batted, the 10th hasn't arrived yet, and we go back to the top of the order. (Our league allows three or four women to bat, and the alternating stops when you run out of one gender or the other.) That team is locked in with nine batters, correct? A tenth could not be added to the lineup or the field, correct?

It depends what your local rules say. Under book rules the ninth or tenth spot is a short handed rule out whenever it comes up. When a sub (of correct gender) they fill the open spot. Others who arrive late are just extra subs. There have to be ten spots in batting order even if one is vacant and being called out when due up.

But local league slow pitch rules will modify rule book rules so your mileage may vary. 😎

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, then using this rule set, let's say nine have batted, the 10th hasn't arrived yet, and we go back to the top of the order. (Our league allows three or four women to bat, and the alternating stops when you run out of one gender or the other.) That team is locked in with nine batters, correct? A tenth could not be added to the lineup or the field, correct?

Local rules are made by fools

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Local rules are made by fools

I disagree with that statement to some extent. Local rules are made by people who understand who the majority of players PAYING to play in their league are. The majority of players playing in Recreational Leagues are not going out and playing USA Tourneys on the weekends. They are out to play for 1 or 2 nights per week. The local rules allow some flexibility to allow the games to be played and the participants to get what they PAID for, the chance to participate in the games.

Are some rules over the top stupid? Absolutely, because at some point they do start to mess with the integrity of the game, but some of the rules do exactly what the purpose of the local rule is, getting those who are paying to participate a chance to participate.

It is made very clear at our yearly league clinic. "We are in a business to attract teams. Without teams you, as umpires, don't have games to work."

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, then using this rule set, let's say nine have batted, the 10th hasn't arrived yet, and we go back to the top of the order. (Our league allows three or four women to bat, and the alternating stops when you run out of one gender or the other.) That team is locked in with nine batters, correct? A tenth could not be added to the lineup or the field, correct?

No. That's not what he (or the rule) says. They MUST add the 10th (shorthanded) player whenever an appropriate player arrives. No matter how many times you go around.

What they cannot do is add EP's after you start.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

No. That's not what he (or the rule) says. They MUST add the 10th (shorthanded) player whenever an appropriate player arrives. No matter how many times you go around.

What they cannot do is add EP's after you start.

Okay, thanks. Follow up: If the team presently has nine, and no tenth player comes to bat, is it an automatic out before the lead-off hitter comes to bat? Can I get a rule citation?