Batting the entire roster

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Other than toss the rule entirely (which I am OK with, BTW), there are only a couple of adjustments that should be made so the rule truly serves its intent.

1. The shorthanded rule is already a modification of the lineup rules, so adjusting it to be consistent with the intent of the bat-the-roster rule is not vastly violating the game further beyond what bat-the-roster does in the first place. Change it so a single ejection does not result if a forfeit (unless this would drop the batting order below 9). Leave the rest the same, including taking an out for an injured player, etc.
   
2. For courtesy runners, again, the CR rule is itself an adjustment to the sub/re-entry rules, so again, adjusting it to be consistent with the intent of the bat-the-roster rule is not vastly violating the game further. The purpose of the CR rule is to avoid delay and perhaps prevent exposure to possible injury for the pitcher. Is this purpose still valid in bat-the-roster? If so, some simple adjustment can be made. I've seen a couple of ways of doing this in "friendly" tournaments, and the most popular is use the last player who was put out as the CR.

All of this is a "violation" to the purity of the 19th century rules, but so what? The ASA/USA rule book said so-long to that notion long ago.

So, if they bat 14, it takes six ejections before the game is forfeited? No thanks.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob

So, if they bat 14, it takes six ejections before the game is forfeited? No thanks.

No, you read that backwards (or I worded it confusingly). The "below 9" was to account for the team that was "batting the roster" with only 9 players to begin with... yes, I've seen it. They do it so they can still have a CR! Forfeit after the 2nd ejection would be an adjustment more like I had in mind.

Besides, with a roster of 14 and a standard lineup, it would also take 6 ejections for a forfeit, right?

[CecilOne]

Why are some of you wanting ejection violations to be acceptable?

As far as continuing shorthanded after an ejection; I'd almost prefer, any ejection = forfeit, regardless of subs.
THIS IS FACETIOUS !!!

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Why are some of you wanting ejection violations to be acceptable?

As far as continuing shorthanded after an ejection; I'd almost prefer, any ejection = forfeit, regardless of subs.

Ejections are not acceptable, but they are not an automatic forfeit, either, nor should they be IMO.

Bat-the-roster stretches many of the lineup rules to the point of mostly irrelevancy. Attempting to maintain the related rules in a strict and literal fashion is silly, IMO, and merely makes USA appear legalistic.

If you're going to have an "everybody plays" rule, have an "everybody plays" rule. It is a simple concept. Treat it like one.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Ejections are not acceptable, but they are not an automatic forfeit, either, nor should they be IMO.

OK, not enough emotis, so I added a comment.