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Since we are telling stories of foul to fair
About 10 years ago, state tournament, there was a runner on 2nd and the batter hit a ball toward RCF. PU lost the ball for some reason and came up with a big "FOUL BALL". Well, Stevie Wonder was there and even he said, "That is some bad calling", somebody get the UIC. The UIC awarded the BR 1B, but kept R1 on 2B. Yes, it is a compromise, but the fairest option available. When the play was pushed up the chain to member of Nat Staff (without the applied resolution), his response was,"That's easy, place the batter on 1st and only push runners who are forced." That is why UICs get the big bucks!
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And, as stated in the rule book, that includes fair/foul calls. Life can be unfair at times. No pun intended. Last edited by MT 73; Wed May 03, 2017 at 10:21am. |
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As I've said around here if you ruled that you could clean it up, I've heard you'd lose that protest (though I don't know for sure). As noted, in other places, you'd better rule you can clean it up or you'll lost that protest. |
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The OP's situation is a misapplication of the rule call (definition of foul ball). In the OP's situation, none of the facts are disputed. The ball was a fair ball than was inadvertently called foul, not a poorly judged foul. It was an incorrectly called foul ball.
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Big difference. Are you willing to put up a $500 protest fee to have this decided? |
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When I asked by what rule I could do that, I was given the answer that once a ball is called foul, we don't make it fair.
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What was his judgment? If a batter is trying to avoid getting hit and accidentally hits a batted ball into fair territory, it is a foul ball? That is a misapplication of a rule. Or, since the OP says "Of course, this is an oops..." that the PU's judgment was "oops"? He called foul apparently not because of an error in judgment, but because of an error in opening his mouth. Any protest would face an uphill climb, but this is not a discussion about "what you you do if you were on the protest committee?", but, what should the umpire do? I generally agree with the "eat the call" position; I was just pointing out that Andy's situation was different in that there really was an error in judgment in his situation.
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Once you call it a foul ball it must stay a foul ball. You will have to eat crow and hopefully not have to eject a coach. You may have to be apologetic and give the coach a little latitude. This is poor judgment and not protestable.
In the NCAA rule 11.5 Note it says: A batted ball declared foul cannot be changed to fair regardless of additional information that might be made available to the calling umpire. So if you change the call to fair you are now entering into a protestable call. Of course the protest should not happen because you and your partners have the ability to pull out the rulebook, and therefore will not overturn the foul call.
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And hopefully, at that level, you know that a foul ball cannot be undone...but we all forget things from time to time, so it could happen.
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Maybe this is because I was trained by people who were more interested in getting it right instead of looking for a way out.
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