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IRISHMAFIA Mon Aug 22, 2016 08:26am
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Originally Posted by teebob21 (Post 990062)
Not this exact situation, but similar. Nubbers off the end of the bat with tons of side spin can do funny things when they bounce.
Yeppers.

In a contrary instance, a few years ago in an MLB game, U3 called a bounding batted ball which landed fair behind the base a foul ball. He insisted the ball passed the base over foul territory.

Wish I could find a video of it. As expected, the offense went crazy but the call stood.

CecilOne Mon Aug 22, 2016 09:12am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 990073)
I would assume "in use" means that there is a batter-runner at that point of the play.
Maybe meant, but don't see effect on fair/foul. Almost wake up time in AZ. ;)

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 990073)
Otherwise, it is just one big base.
Except to determine fair/foul???

teebob21 Mon Aug 22, 2016 09:53am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 990073)
I would assume "in use" means that there is a batter-runner at that point of the play. Otherwise, it is just one big base.
No B/R; is it there or not? NCAA game: It's not in use. ASA JO game: Double base likely to be in use.

teebob21 Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:00am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 990074)
Yeppers.

In a contrary instance, a few years ago in an MLB game, U3 called a bounding batted ball which landed fair behind the base a foul ball. He insisted the ball passed the base over foul territory.

Wish I could find a video of it. As expected, the offense went crazy but the call stood.
This is not your example but it's a good one. http://m.mlb.com/video/v22734353/mus...-run-for-twins

youngump Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 990061)
I can't say I've ever seen a ball take a path like that. Have you?
Yes, but so what if I hadn't, the definition of foul ball doesn't change just because the umpire has never seen a ball bound over 1st or 3rd base before.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 23, 2016 08:17am
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 990076)
Maybe meant, but don't see effect on fair/foul. Almost wake up time in AZ. ;)



Except to determine fair/foul???
Is fair/foul not a determination made which affects a batter-runner?

IRISHMAFIA Tue Aug 23, 2016 08:21am
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Originally Posted by teebob21 (Post 990078)
No B/R; is it there or not? NCAA game: It's not in use. ASA JO game: Double base likely to be in use.
Thanks for clarification

CecilOne Tue Aug 23, 2016 08:24am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 990122)
Is fair/foul not a determination made which affects a batter-runner?
Yes, but the presence of the BR does not affect the determination.

He later clarified that he meant safety base in place or not ("NCAA game: It's not in use. ASA JO game: Double base likely to be in use."),
also no effect if ball strikes the same exact coordinates.


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