ASA - 1B Coach runs out on field during live ball to argue a call at 2B

[robbie]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Him: I can't believe you guys!
Me: Sorry, sir.
Him, walking away: All you umpires have been rubbish all week!
Me, giving another stop sign: PAT, KNOCK IT OFF!
Him: {hesitation and surprise that I know his first name} No....uh....YOU knock it off! {keeps walking away}

Him #1: Radar up.
Him #2: Very likely ejection.
Him #3: Absolute ejection every time - Particularly given the caps in "YOU."

Had a conversation once over look back violation:

Me: Coach, we are done.
Coach: NO WE ARE NOT.
Me: Yes, YOU are.

By the way, I too would have gone to partners for a courtesy "hey did I miss something? - No? I didn't think so." "Out stands."

[RKBUmp]

By the way, I too would have gone to partners for a courtesy

Unless coach has a specific question it is a waste of time to go to your part er just to appease a coach. All that does is have them coming out on the field on a fishing expedition on every close play they don't like. If you have all the elements of the play in front of you and have no question of anything missed do not go to your partners.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Unless coach has a specific question it is a waste of time to go to your part er just to appease a coach. All that does is have them coming out on the field on a fishing expedition on every close play they don't like. If you have all the elements of the play in front of you and have no question of anything missed do not go to your partners.

^^^^This....

Coach, the fact that you disagree with my call is not a reason for me to go for help.


Interesting feedback....I have also gotten similar feedback when I used a stop sign with a coach. It goes back to my basketball officiating days when the stop sign was a good tool to use on a chirping coach when the ball was in play and your focus needed to be elsewhere. On the diamond, however, I can see where it would look aggressive, but in your case, I think some aggression was needed as the ball was still live.

I completely disagree with going for help only to appease him. Too many coaches today think we should go for help whenever they ask and too many umpires do it.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Unless coach has a specific question it is a waste of time to go to your part er just to appease a coach. All that does is have them coming out on the field on a fishing expedition on every close play they don't like. If you have all the elements of the play in front of you and have no question of anything missed do not go to your partners.

AMEN AMEN AMEN!!! ONE MILLION PERCENT. umps who ask for help on calls that have no business getting help are screwing the rest of us.

For me, as soon as I told him the ball was live an she didn't immediately tuck tail and head back to his box, he's gonna ride the lightening. Him maybe not realizing it was a live ball is the only benefit of doubt he should have got. Anything else past that would have been an ejection with me.

Ask Bobby Cox if your previous actions mean something on the field. You don't get any rope when you have been dumped two days in a row. And I can't believe tournament rules would have even allowed this jack hole back in the complex, let alone on the field.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

And I can't believe tournament rules would have even allowed this jack hole back in the complex, let alone on the field.

It was a national tournament and it is quite a task putting together a committee to do it properly since they need to be prepared to follow the code. It is easier to let him go out and get dumped again.

As previously noted, each game starts anew. OP was aware of this coach's antics as he had this team in a previous game, though the coach didn't last a half an inning.

[RKBUmp]

I realize each game is a new beginning, but obviously this particular assistant coach appears to have a real problem. Being as the head coach is responsible for the actions of their staff and team, at what point do you send the head coach packing along with the assistant?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

I realize each game is a new beginning, but obviously this particular assistant coach appears to have a real problem. Being as the head coach is responsible for the actions of their staff and team, at what point do you send the head coach packing along with the assistant?

I would find that very difficult to do as an umpire. If I was running the event and the same coach was ejected multiple times, at that point we, as a tourney staff, have an issue that needs to be addressed, but that is way above the role of an umpire.

I find it shocking as well that he was not suspended/banned from the event for multiple ejections.

I personally don't buy the entire it's too hard to set up a committee to do it properly argument. If it is done in advance, the committee is already made up. At that point the only tricky part is getting the committee together to be able to rule when needed. This could, depending on who is on the committee and the schedule of events, be a nightmare, but having the committee already set up should not be a problem at all.

[3afan]

UIC + TD = committee