Do you ever call this?

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Originally posted by Dakota

I wonder if maybe we are miscommunicating here. I'm not talking about the drag above a hole & landing on the other side.

Visualize no hole at all. When you push off with the ball of your foot, your heel naturally lifts. If you start with the heel only on the front of the plate, the push off with the ball of the foot will be the lenght of the foot in front of the plate & in the dirt. The point of impetus, therefore, will not be in contact with the plate, but will be several inches in front of the plate in the dirt.

That is what I was asking about. Not the drag in air above a hole.

Tom,

A lot of lurkers appeared on this one. I stayed out of this one because I thought it got off track and wasn't sure which way it was going to go, especially when I started reading about football and baseball on this board.

I think you are referring to the same thing which happens in SP when the pitcher raises the heel during the delivery, yet the remainder of the foot never moves off the set position.

It seems to me that if this can be absolutely determined to be prior to the delivery, it is illegal. If it is a motion that occurs so quickly that you just aren't sure which came first, you have a legal pitch.

And I mean the umpire must SEE this, not just assume it happened, to make this call.