ASA Rules Changes??

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

There is also some realignment of local associations.

IMO, this is something that started a couple years ago.

When it was suggested that this was the track on which ASA was heading, I didn't buy it right away. At least, not until some of us felt like we were run over by a train.

Again, JMHO, I am less than impressed with the present regime and the path they are taking what was one THE softball organization in this country down.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I would like to know if there was any discussion of changing the logo on the shirts and hats for 2016 or is the scuttle butt concerning that going to come down the pike in 2017 or 2018?

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I would like to know if there was any discussion of changing the logo on the shirts and hats for 2016 or is the scuttle butt concerning that going to come down the pike in 2017 or 2018?

The absolute earliest the umpire uniform logos could be changed is 2017.

After that, there will be a phase in period for the new uniform logo just as there was with the recent logo change. Most likely 3-4 years before the new logo is required in National Championship Tournaments.

[teebob21]

I just bought shirts and hats with the new logo. So of course there's talk of updating it yet again.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure not a single playing participant in the game cares what font and typeface we wear on our hats/shirts/ball bags.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Andy

The absolute earliest the umpire uniform logos could be changed is 2017.

After that, there will be a phase in period for the new uniform logo just as there was with the recent logo change. Most likely 3-4 years before the new logo is required in National Championship Tournaments.

All I know is that the scuttle butt that Junior and I have heard is that the new logos will not be ASA but will be USA and they might be here as early as 2017.

Originally Posted by teebob21

I just bought shirts and hats with the new logo. So of course there's talk of updating it yet again.

In all honesty, I'm pretty sure not a single playing participant in the game cares what font and typeface we wear on our hats/shirts/ball bags.

I do know that UICs at Nationals do care. There was at least one umpire at each of the two Nationals that Junior in which Junior umpired that did had shirts and hats with the old logos, but the tournaments needed bodies so nobody was sent home.

MTD, Sr.

[DaveASA/FED]

Rule 3-3F2 11” slow pitch starting 2017 use 52/300 ball
Rule 3-5E Delete requirement to wear chin straps in JO play
Rule 3-6 Add Coed C/D and Women’s C/D to list that only have to wear matching shirts with numbers
Rule 5-8A Delete inning ending out for a home run in E/Rec. Now it is just an out.
Rule 7-1A All JO fast pitch can now use either on deck circle.
Rule 8-9B2 All adult slow pitch except seniors can have a courtesy runner. Any eligible player on the official line-up, including available substitutes may be used as a courtesy runner. One CR only may be used per inning. Seniors will continue to use their CR rule.


Also the branding discussion. As mentioned at the earliest the new umpire uniforms will be available is 2017. That was mentioned with the understanding that the BOD has to approve the new logo by early 2016 in order for the manufactures to have time to fill the pipeline with new logo items for the 2017 season. As they did with the current new ASA logo (yes it is weird to have a discussion about two "new" logos at the same time) it will be phased in over a number of years. As mentioned 2017 is the earliest umpires can purchase the USA logo, it won't be mandatory until most likely 2020 to coincide with the hopeful return of Softball to the Olympics.

[Tru_in_Blu]

I don't know why women's slow pitch continues to have to use the 11" ball.

They grew up from 12U thru HS and college using the 12" ball and now they need to use a smaller ball?? Crazy.

It would certainly help speed up co-ed games if both genders would hit the 12" ball.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Regarding the CRs for slow pitch, who picks who the runner will be?

Most league bylaws simply have whoever made the last out serve as the CR.

If the CR is on base and is due to bat, can someone else be the CR? Or would the original runner have to go back in? Can't have a CR for a CR, right?

If the defense gets to pick, they'd obviously opt for the slowest runner. But what if the guy/gal they pick would require a CR themselves?

If the offense gets to pick, they're always going to put in their rabbit. Seems like a roster opportunity to get someone on the team whose job will be to run for someone every half-inning.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Rule 3-3F2 11” slow pitch starting 2017 use 52/300 ball
Rule 3-5E Delete requirement to wear chin straps in JO play
Rule 3-6 Add Coed C/D and Women’s C/D to list that only have to wear matching shirts with numbers
Rule 5-8A Delete inning ending out for a home run in E/Rec. Now it is just an out.
Rule 7-1A All JO fast pitch can now use either on deck circle.
Rule 8-9B2 All adult slow pitch except seniors can have a courtesy runner. Any eligible player on the official line-up, including available substitutes may be used as a courtesy runner. One CR only may be used per inning. Seniors will continue to use their CR rule.


Also the branding discussion. As mentioned at the earliest the new umpire uniforms will be available is 2017. That was mentioned with the understanding that the BOD has to approve the new logo by early 2016 in order for the manufactures to have time to fill the pipeline with new logo items for the 2017 season. As they did with the current new ASA logo (yes it is weird to have a discussion about two "new" logos at the same time) it will be phased in over a number of years. As mentioned 2017 is the earliest umpires can purchase the USA logo, it won't be mandatory until most likely 2020 to coincide with the hopeful return of Softball to the Olympics.

This is a stupid rule change passed by people who do not umpire.

MTD, Sr.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

This is a stupid rule change passed by people who do not umpire.

MTD, Sr.

MN has used a rule for several years in both JO and HS that requires the on-deck batter to use the on-deck circle behind the batter. The rationale is safety. I suppose there is some decrease in the chances of getting hit by a foul ball with this... but it is not a big deal at all for umpires.

I don't understand the rationale for the new ASA change, though.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Rule 3-3F2 11” slow pitch starting 2017 use 52/300 ball
Rule 3-5E Delete requirement to wear chin straps in JO play
Rule 3-6 Add Coed C/D and Women’s C/D to list that only have to wear matching shirts with numbers
Rule 5-8A Delete inning ending out for a home run in E/Rec. Now it is just an out.
Rule 7-1A All JO fast pitch can now use either on deck circle.
Rule 8-9B2 All adult slow pitch except seniors can have a courtesy runner. Any eligible player on the official line-up, including available substitutes may be used as a courtesy runner. One CR only may be used per inning. Seniors will continue to use their CR rule.


Also the branding discussion. As mentioned at the earliest the new umpire uniforms will be available is 2017. That was mentioned with the understanding that the BOD has to approve the new logo by early 2016 in order for the manufactures to have time to fill the pipeline with new logo items for the 2017 season. As they did with the current new ASA logo (yes it is weird to have a discussion about two "new" logos at the same time) it will be phased in over a number of years. As mentioned 2017 is the earliest umpires can purchase the USA logo, it won't be mandatory until most likely 2020 to coincide with the hopeful return of Softball to the Olympics.

This rule change is a rule change that can be laid our our feet for not enforcing the old rule because we did not want to be seen as being an OOO!

Mark, Jr., and I umpire ASA tournaments every summer with ASA umpires from at least three different OhioASA Districts. The District Commissioner and District UIC of only one district expected its umpires and defended its umpires in enforcing the old rule.

MTD, Sr.

[BretMan]

I know that here in the central district we've always been told to enforce it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

This rule change is a rule change that can be laid our our feet for not enforcing the old rule because we did not want to be seen as being an OOO!

Mark, Jr., and I umpire ASA tournaments every summer with ASA umpires from at least three different OhioASA Districts. The District Commissioner and District UIC of only one district expected its umpires and defended its umpires in enforcing the old rule.

MTD, Sr.

I think some will be shocked at how many of the helmets will now accidently pop off during play