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Old Sat Sep 13, 2008, 11:30pm
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What does this have to do with HS soccer?

"A fourth-grader at a San Luis elementary school is dead after a soccer goal fell on him and another student early Thursday, San Luis police said."

"The children were playing on the playground at Rio Colorado Elementary School when the goal fell."

"The names of the 10-year-old boys were not released."


NevadaRef:

You asked the same question on the NFHS Soccer Board. It is a reminder that no matter what the age group involved, officials have to do their pregame due diligence.

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Old Mon Sep 15, 2008, 05:48pm
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NevadaRef:

You asked the same question on the NFHS Soccer Board. It is a reminder that no matter what the age group involved, officials have to do their pregame due diligence.

MTD, Sr.
There is no mention in the article that there was an official game being played or that there were referees present. The fact that this occurred on a Thursday at 7:30 A.M. makes that very unlikely. This was probably an accident that happened because a bunch of kids were messing around on the elementary school playground and possibly climbing on or swinging from a soccer goal.

I see no connection whatsoever with the conduct of referees during a HS event. It would be nice if you would stop implying that HS referees are somehow at fault for the deaths of young children such as this one.
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Old Mon Sep 15, 2008, 08:07pm
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BUT, it is still a good reminder that we still need to make sure the goals are secure or we are liable for what could be a tragedy like this!
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Old Mon Sep 15, 2008, 11:26pm
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BUT, it is still a good reminder that we still need to make sure the goals are secure or we are liable for what could be a tragedy like this!
That's exactly the kind of misinformation that made me object to this thread in the first place. I can't stand seeing that kind of garbage spread on the forum.

PLEASE READ WHAT IT SAYS IN THE LOTG!!!!!
LAW 5
...
Decisions of the International F.A. Board
Decision 1
A referee (or where applicable, an assistant referee or fourth official)
is not held liable for:
any kind of injury suffered by a player, official or spectator
any damage to property of any kind
any other loss suffered by any individual, club, company, association
or other body, which is due or which may be due to any decision that
he may take under the terms of the Laws of the Game or in respect of
the normal procedures required to hold, play and control a match.
Such decisions may include:
a decision that the condition of the field of play or its surrounds or
that the weather conditions are such as to allow or not to allow a
match to take place
• a decision to abandon a match for whatever reason
a decision as to the suitability of the field equipment and ball used
during a match
• a decision to stop or not to stop a match due to spectator interference
or any problem in spectator areas
• a decision to stop or not to stop play to allow an injured player to
be removed from the field of play for treatment
• a decision to require an injured player to be removed from the field
of play for treatment
• a decision to allow or not to allow a player to wear certain apparel
or equipment
• a decision (where he has the authority) to allow or not to allow
any persons (including team or stadium offi cials, security officers,
photographers or other media representatives) to be present in the
vicinity of the field of play
any other decision that he may take in accordance with the Laws
of the Game or in conformity with his duties under the terms
of FIFA, confederation, member association or league rules or
regulations under which the match is played
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Old Tue Sep 16, 2008, 12:33am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
There is no mention in the article that there was an official game being played or that there were referees present. The fact that this occurred on a Thursday at 7:30 A.M. makes that very unlikely. This was probably an accident that happened because a bunch of kids were messing around on the elementary school playground and possibly climbing on or swinging from a soccer goal.

I see no connection whatsoever with the conduct of referees during a HS event. It would be nice if you would stop implying that HS referees are somehow at fault for the deaths of young children such as this one.

NevadaRef:

Until now, I didn't pay attention to your nonsense about this article not being germane to H.S. sports. BUT, now I take exception because I NEVER said anything to imply that H.S. referees were at fault in the incident in the news article. As so many people have already stated, I was bringing attention to the fact that we as officials should always be aware of hazardous conditions when we take the field or court in the sports that we officiate.

I am calling your out right now. You owe me an apology for saying something that I did not. If you have any integrity as a sports official you will do the correct thing and issue an apology to me in this thread.

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