Goal?

[fan]

Is a goal scored anytime the ball completely crosses the goal line, no matter which team kicks it (nfhs). For example, a player kicks the ball to his own goalie but the ball gets away from the goalie and crosses his/her goal line.

Thanks.

[PSidbury]

Per NFHS Rule 10: Scoring:
"A goal is scored when the entire ball passes beyond the goal line, between the goal posts and under the crossbar provided it has not been deliberately thrown, carried or propelled by the hand or arm of a player of the attacking team."

And then there are additional conditions under which a goal may or may not be scored (ie., from a kickoff, penalty kick, indirect free kick, throw-ins, etc).

Originally Posted by fan

For example, a player kicks the ball to his own goalie but the ball gets away from the goalie and crosses his/her goal line.

Yes, that would be a goal.

However: two add-on scenarios:

1) What if the goalie catches (with hands) the ball, throws it to a teammate within the penalty area, that teammate then kicks it back to the goalie, and the goalie mis-"handles" the ball (meaning, the ball touches goalie's hands but it slips through) and it goes in the goal? (referencing NFHS Rule 12-7-1)
Is that a goal?
As opposed to goalie not handling the ball prior to a teammate kicking it to him/her?

2) And if an indirect free kick is awarded to the opponent at the spot of the goalie illegal touching, where is the ball placed for the kick if the illegal touching occurred in the a) goal area/box; or the b) penalty area ?

Thanks,
Paul

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by PSidbury

1) What if the goalie catches (with hands) the ball, throws it to a teammate within the penalty area, that teammate then kicks it back to the goalie, and the goalie mis-"handles" the ball (meaning, the ball touches goalie's hands but it slips through) and it goes in the goal? (referencing NFHS Rule 12-7-1)
Is that a goal?

Yes, it would be proper for the referee to apply the advantage clause, not penalize the infraction by the GK, and award the goal to the opposing team.

[PSidbury]

And if an indirect free kick is awarded to the opponent at the spot of the goalie illegal touching (NFHS 12-7), where is the ball placed for the kick if the illegal touching occurred in the goal area/box?

At the penalty mark...? That doesn't seem consistent with NFHS Rule 14-1: Penalty Kicks are only awarded for fouls that would have otherwise resulted in a "direct" free kick.

If then, the indirect kick should occur on the goal area line, what about the 10-yard rule for defenders that Rule 13-3-1 addresses? Since the nearest goal area line could be at least 6-yards away?

Where and how does the defense position themselves for an opponent's free kick on their own goal area lines?
For that matter how would the defense position themselves for an indirect free kick in the penalty area only 7-9 yards away from their own goal?

I am having a very hard time finding the NFHS ruling for what happens if the goalie illegally touches the ball within his/her own goal box/area.

Thanks,
Paul

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by PSidbury

And if an indirect free kick is awarded to the opponent at the spot of the goalie illegal touching (NFHS 12-7), where is the ball placed for the kick if the illegal touching occurred in the goal area/box?

At the penalty mark...? That doesn't seem consistent with NFHS Rule 14-1: Penalty Kicks are only awarded for fouls that would have otherwise resulted in a "direct" free kick.

If then, the indirect kick should occur on the goal area line, what about the 10-yard rule for defenders that Rule 13-3-1 addresses? Since the nearest goal area line could be at least 6-yards away?

Where and how does the defense position themselves for an opponent's free kick on their own goal area lines?
For that matter how would the defense position themselves for an indirect free kick in the penalty area only 7-9 yards away from their own goal?

I am having a very hard time finding the NFHS ruling for what happens if the goalie illegally touches the ball within his/her own goal box/area.

Thanks,
Paul

Paul, the answers to your questions are detailed in NFHS Rule 13.
13-1-4 is the rule which covers the passback and it tells us:
An Indirect Free Kick (IFK) awarded to the attacking team withing the goal area will be taken from the point on the goal area line (the six) parallel to the goal line nearest to the location of the foul/infraction. (In other words, pull the ball straight back towards midfield until you reach the six and then put the ball down there.)
13-3-1 informs us where the defending players can be in such a situation.
They have to be ON the goal line AND between the goal posts if they are closer than 10 yards to the location of the kick. They cannot be forced to retreat the full ten yards in this case. Any defender who does not stand ON the goal AND between the goal post, must adhere to the full 10 yards away from the ball rule. So standing just outside of the near post is likely unacceptable as the player wouldn't be a full ten yards away.
I hope that clarifies this situation for you.

Also I'm glad that you have the willingness to ask these questions and learn on this forum. We are here to help. If ever you ask a question and the answer that you receive is still unclear, please ask again and keep asking until the explanation is clear to you. This is the place to ask whatever you wish/need, so that when you step onto the field you can perform splendidly.

[PSidbury]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I hope that clarifies this situation for you.

Thanks !