The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Soccer

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 10:57am
fan fan is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 51
Goal?

Is a goal scored anytime the ball completely crosses the goal line, no matter which team kicks it (nfhs). For example, a player kicks the ball to his own goalie but the ball gets away from the goalie and crosses his/her goal line.

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 11:18am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 98
Send a message via Yahoo to PSidbury
Per NFHS Rule 10: Scoring:
"A goal is scored when the entire ball passes beyond the goal line, between the goal posts and under the crossbar provided it has not been deliberately thrown, carried or propelled by the hand or arm of a player of the attacking team."

And then there are additional conditions under which a goal may or may not be scored (ie., from a kickoff, penalty kick, indirect free kick, throw-ins, etc).

Quote:
Originally Posted by fan
For example, a player kicks the ball to his own goalie but the ball gets away from the goalie and crosses his/her goal line.
Yes, that would be a goal.

However: two add-on scenarios:

1) What if the goalie catches (with hands) the ball, throws it to a teammate within the penalty area, that teammate then kicks it back to the goalie, and the goalie mis-"handles" the ball (meaning, the ball touches goalie's hands but it slips through) and it goes in the goal? (referencing NFHS Rule 12-7-1)
Is that a goal?
As opposed to goalie not handling the ball prior to a teammate kicking it to him/her?

2) And if an indirect free kick is awarded to the opponent at the spot of the goalie illegal touching, where is the ball placed for the kick if the illegal touching occurred in the a) goal area/box; or the b) penalty area ?

Thanks,
Paul

Last edited by PSidbury; Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 11:24am.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 03:36pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,995
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSidbury

1) What if the goalie catches (with hands) the ball, throws it to a teammate within the penalty area, that teammate then kicks it back to the goalie, and the goalie mis-"handles" the ball (meaning, the ball touches goalie's hands but it slips through) and it goes in the goal? (referencing NFHS Rule 12-7-1)
Is that a goal?
Yes, it would be proper for the referee to apply the advantage clause, not penalize the infraction by the GK, and award the goal to the opposing team.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sat Apr 19, 2008, 11:12am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 98
Send a message via Yahoo to PSidbury
And if an indirect free kick is awarded to the opponent at the spot of the goalie illegal touching (NFHS 12-7), where is the ball placed for the kick if the illegal touching occurred in the goal area/box?

At the penalty mark...? That doesn't seem consistent with NFHS Rule 14-1: Penalty Kicks are only awarded for fouls that would have otherwise resulted in a "direct" free kick.

If then, the indirect kick should occur on the goal area line, what about the 10-yard rule for defenders that Rule 13-3-1 addresses? Since the nearest goal area line could be at least 6-yards away?

Where and how does the defense position themselves for an opponent's free kick on their own goal area lines?
For that matter how would the defense position themselves for an indirect free kick in the penalty area only 7-9 yards away from their own goal?

I am having a very hard time finding the NFHS ruling for what happens if the goalie illegally touches the ball within his/her own goal box/area.

Thanks,
Paul

Last edited by PSidbury; Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:01pm.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sun Apr 20, 2008, 01:25am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 14,995
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSidbury
And if an indirect free kick is awarded to the opponent at the spot of the goalie illegal touching (NFHS 12-7), where is the ball placed for the kick if the illegal touching occurred in the goal area/box?

At the penalty mark...? That doesn't seem consistent with NFHS Rule 14-1: Penalty Kicks are only awarded for fouls that would have otherwise resulted in a "direct" free kick.

If then, the indirect kick should occur on the goal area line, what about the 10-yard rule for defenders that Rule 13-3-1 addresses? Since the nearest goal area line could be at least 6-yards away?

Where and how does the defense position themselves for an opponent's free kick on their own goal area lines?
For that matter how would the defense position themselves for an indirect free kick in the penalty area only 7-9 yards away from their own goal?

I am having a very hard time finding the NFHS ruling for what happens if the goalie illegally touches the ball within his/her own goal box/area.

Thanks,
Paul
Paul, the answers to your questions are detailed in NFHS Rule 13.
13-1-4 is the rule which covers the passback and it tells us:
An Indirect Free Kick (IFK) awarded to the attacking team withing the goal area will be taken from the point on the goal area line (the six) parallel to the goal line nearest to the location of the foul/infraction. (In other words, pull the ball straight back towards midfield until you reach the six and then put the ball down there.)
13-3-1 informs us where the defending players can be in such a situation.
They have to be ON the goal line AND between the goal posts if they are closer than 10 yards to the location of the kick. They cannot be forced to retreat the full ten yards in this case. Any defender who does not stand ON the goal AND between the goal post, must adhere to the full 10 yards away from the ball rule. So standing just outside of the near post is likely unacceptable as the player wouldn't be a full ten yards away.
I hope that clarifies this situation for you.

Also I'm glad that you have the willingness to ask these questions and learn on this forum. We are here to help. If ever you ask a question and the answer that you receive is still unclear, please ask again and keep asking until the explanation is clear to you. This is the place to ask whatever you wish/need, so that when you step onto the field you can perform splendidly.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sun Apr 20, 2008, 10:33am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 98
Send a message via Yahoo to PSidbury
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref
I hope that clarifies this situation for you.
Thanks !
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Basketball Goal bbsbvb83 Volleyball 5 Fri Feb 23, 2007 09:49am
Field goal attempts that hit the cameras on field goal posts Barney72 Football 3 Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:21pm
Goal or No Goal - UConn Game GA ref Basketball 4 Tue Dec 23, 2003 09:19am
goal tending ohad_d Basketball 0 Sat Jan 04, 2003 04:19pm
goal tending John Schaefferkoetter Basketball 4 Thu Dec 19, 2002 11:45am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:16am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1