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Thu Oct 09, 2003, 10:28am
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I have never had the pleasure of using a triple, but I have read a little about it. Somewhere I read that the lead referee (formerly AR) has the responsibility for offside and fouls committed by the offense; while the middle referee looks for fouls by the defense.
Is that what the mechanics suggest? 
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Thu Oct 09, 2003, 10:37am
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Thu Oct 09, 2003, 01:57pm
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Not "former AR", but a referee in an end position rather than a middle position. The triple or double-dual is three referees, like dual is two referees; one of whom is head referee and that has nothing to do with position.
Yes, the lead or end referee is responsible for offside and the lines and fouls more visible to him/her. The middle referee is responsible for fouls, etc. more visible to him/her, free kicks, throwins opposite the end ref, etc. "More visible" often is the result of which way the player is facing, so the middle is more likely to see handling by the defense, tackles from behind and some others. Not "cheat to the center", but move with the play and if it is on the "far" side, being closer to it. There is no relevance to basing position on the lines or corner, just seeing the play and of course, getting close enough to the lines to know when the ball is over and who gets it. That part is like dual, but with the help of a trail who is closer to the active end of the field. Just a note, the middle referee is expected to make fewer calls than the end referees.
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Thu Oct 09, 2003, 07:22pm
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Sorry, all of your "reasons" are unconvincing. I guess we'll agree to disagree...
Maybe I'm blessed to work with A/Rs that actually are "assistants" and not "linesman"...but I have never felt that I'm not covering the field properly under the DSC. You hustle into the "coffin corners" to watch the play there...you sprint back on the counterattacks...you don't ball watch so you can spot the off-the-ball stuff...you trust your A/Rs to call what they see, but let me make the final decision. And I ALWAYS feel that my A/Rs and I are a team, and I let them know that. Like I said, maybe I'm just lucky. If you guys think using three whistles means you call a better game, that's fine...I'll just think it's blasphemy :-)
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Fri Oct 10, 2003, 07:55am
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 A personal note: I find "let me make the final decision" and "my A/Rs and I are a team, and I let them know that" somewhat condescending.
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 10:28am
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Where was that third referee ?
Where was that third referee (with a whistle)?
Had a game last night that cried out for the triple system. Both teams play wide attacks, have speedy forwards, and have strong-legged keepers and backs. Both teams try hard to physically dominate the other. Not dirty or sneaky, just lots of contact at both ends and in the middle. Even though we both hustle and cover a lot of ground, the style made it very difficult to be close enough to cover it all.
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Wed Oct 15, 2003, 09:57pm
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Close enough to cover it all? How close do you need to be to cover a play?
If you can't recognize a foul from 35 yards away, being 10 or 5 yards from the play isn't going to make it any easier....you'll just look like your even more blind to the coaches, players, coaches. Granted, you may not catch all of the subtle grabs and tugs from 35 yards, but most players are good enough to play through those anyway (and if you have the players keep their shirts in, you probably can make this call from 30 yards away too) If you put three whistles out there, with some of that contact you describe, one ref may see the contact "trifling", another may see as egregious...one yells "Play On" as the whistle chirps from the wing because they have a lesser angle, but think they see something More whistles, more fouls are called for "incidental" contact. Three people are interpreting contact, and there is no consistency in what contact is a foul or not. But you don't put a flag up unless you really want that foul called.... Sounds like it was a game that cried for the DSC if there was lots of subtle contact...but I think you all could have guessed that
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Thu Oct 16, 2003, 09:13am
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It's not just distance, it's angle and screening because of the style of play. Also, I was talking about being over 70 yards apart and clusters of aggressive players in the middle. We all know that presence is control and that alone would have reduced the fouls in the middle. Studies have shown that triple does not result in more fouls called, just accuracy and fewer fouls committed.
Why does everyone trying to sell diagonal leap to worrying about three refs in triple seeing the same "play". It's also called double-dual because it is like two refs in dual covering half the field. Only two are involved in any given "play" and the middle only calls what the other can't see. Those of us who use dual know how to cooperate, share, and adjust for consistency. But you don't blow a whistle unless you really want that foul called ... . And no one on a line in diagonal could have seen the action in the far side of the goal area.
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