Jameis Winston

[APG]

Whether you believe the player should have been ejected or not, it's real easy, sitting from your seat on Saturday, to accuse officials of not having the balls, testes, cojones, fortitude, (insert noun here to denote bravery) to eject (and while no one straight up said it, it's been implied).

Want to discuss the merits of an ejection? Fine...keep it to that.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by APG

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Whether you believe the player should have been ejected or not, it's real easy, sitting from your seat on Saturday, to accuse officials of not having the balls, testes, cojones, fortitude, (insert noun here to donate bravery) to eject (and while no one straight up said it, it's been implied).

Bah. We have big games at the HS level too (granted, not AS big). And there are pressures there as well. I agree with HL, you gotta have frijoles no matter the level.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Suudy

Bah. We have big games at the HS level too (granted, not AS big). And there are pressures there as well. I agree with HL, you gotta have frijoles no matter the level.

Your big high school game is nothing compared to a national audience....but I digress cause it doesn't matter...

If you want to discuss the merits of whether an ejection is worthy or not, that's fine. Going down the path you and HLN are going...is not.

[jTheUmp]

I kinda get the feeling this is one of those "we'll support a non call, but we would've supported a call" type situations, but I have no evidence to back that up other than my gut feeling.

It'll be interesting to see if Rogers says anything about in the next CFO video.

From a mechanics perspective, this just makes me wonder why the Center Judge is responsible for hatching the ball in these situations anyway... seems like the Umpire would be better able to get to the ball/prevent the snap without getting in the way. Thoughts?

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by APG

Your big high school game is nothing compared to a national audience....but I digress cause it doesn't matter...

Isn't that the truth! No disagreement from me here.

Originally Posted by APG

If you want to discuss the merits of whether an ejection is worthy or not, that's fine. Going down the path you and HLN are going...is not.

Fair enough. I'll keep it to myself.

[HLin NC]

I'm fine with a 15 yarder. There probably wasn't any malicious intent to do harm so no need to eject and no way Mr. Heisman Trophy would get ejected in any event. He was trying to move him out of the way. He knew what he was doing. The CJ was just trying to do his job according to the NCAA rules.

Its just the politics indicative to big time NCAA football that allows this to happen. One level up or down, there is going to be a flag. One level up, a fine also. The NCAA buries their head in the sand, just like knee pads and the restricted area, and tells us all to move along, nothing to see here.

It wouldn't bother me so much but somewhere on a Friday night in the not so distant future some dipstick teenager is going to try the same trick.

Rant over, apologies to TPTB.

[bigjohn]

Danny Kanell thinks Tim Tebow would’ve been celebrated if he pushed the official | Fan Buzz

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Danny Kanell thinks Tim Tebow would’ve been celebrated if he pushed the official | Fan Buzz

This goes to jrut's point. It has to either be a foul or not be a foul, with clear criteria. Intentionally contacting an official is either always a foul or it isn't. Otherwise, we have to hear blah, blah from the likes of Kanell.

[InsideTheStripe]

This is one of those situations where I wonder if Doug Rhoads' public comments match his private comments. In either case, I'm glad he's publicly supporting his guy(s).

[chapmaja]

My take, as a non-football official but a football fan is this should have been a penalty, but it was caused by the positioning of the official as much as by Winston. This is a positioning problem because it does not allow the offense to get set up like they should be allowed to set up.

If I understand the rules correctly, the offense is prevented from snapping the ball until the defense has made their substitutions. There is nothing in the rules that prevent the offense from being able to get set up for the play. The actions of the official by nature of his positioning impact the play of the offense, so I understand Winston trying to move him out of the way. My problem with Winston's actions aren't the first contact, it is when he pushed him over into the left guard. That to me was unsportsmanlike conduct.

I suspect the officials would be a little scared to throw a flag in that situation because of the ramifications of such a penalty on something that is truly a borderline call.

My understanding of the rule is that if you rule the action to be unsportsmanlike conduct for contacting an official, the ejection is required, no if's and's or butt's. There is no grey area. In this case there should have been grey area allowed. I think 15 yards, but not an ejection.


For the record: I am as much of a Winston hater as their is. I think he is a punk kid who thinks he can do whatever he wants when he wants, and there are no consequences to his actions. I think his coach looks like a complete moron for defending the indefensible as well.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Suudy

This goes to jrut's point. It has to either be a foul or not be a foul, with clear criteria. Intentionally contacting an official is either always a foul or it isn't. Otherwise, we have to hear blah, blah from the likes of Kanell.

If you're in this business to garner approval from spectators and/or commentators, you might seriously consider a career change, because this is not the place to expect approval. Why would any official care what Danny Kanell thinks about the role and responsibilities of officials?

He's entitled to his opinion, but so what.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by ajmc

If you're in this business to garner approval from spectators and/or commentators, you might seriously consider a career change, because this is not the place to expect approval.

I hardly do this for a living. But wouldn't it be nice to actually make a living officiating football! I don't get paid enough to deal with most of the crap. It's my love of football that makes me remain an official.

Originally Posted by ajmc

Why would any official care what Danny Kanell thinks about the role and responsibilities of officials?

Because idiotic comments by him and other commentators leave impressions on players and coaches. How many times have any of us heard "He was outside the pocket!" or other such crap? Coaches and players watch football on Saturday and Sunday and listen to these folk.

And this goes beyond just commentary on officials' roles and responsibilities. Kanell has gone beyond just football commentary and entered into social and political commentary. To suggest that Tebow would be lauded while Winston is excoriated speaks about more than just roles and responsibilities. It speaks to what some think is unfair treatment because of Winston's race, or Tebow's faith, or other such ridiculous notions.

And if there was a standard, and that standard was applied, we'd never have this discussion, because all players would be treated the same by all officials.

Originally Posted by ajmc

He's entitled to his opinion, but so what.

Words mean things. Words have real effects. And idiotic commentary such as Kanell's doesn't add anything to the discussion. As APG pointed out, talk about the merits of a flag or ejection, don't waste time on social and political commentary.