Anyone got a foul?

[bigjohn]

If he didn't come from the sideline I may agree but it is borderline IP!

d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other
attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents
at or immediately before the snap or free kick.

[bigjohn]

remember the nfhs defines immediately as 3-5 seconds!

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

If he didn't come from the sideline I may agree but it is borderline IP!

d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other
attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents
at or immediately before the snap or free kick.

Originally Posted by bigjohn

remember the nfhs defines immediately as 3-5 seconds!

The three to five seconds applies to huddles, in my opinion. They never had 11 on the field so that dog doesn't hunt. And it wasn't immediately before the snap. They got set, made sure they were in a legal formation, and ran the play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

If he didn't come from the sideline I may agree but it is borderline IP!

d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other
attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents
at or immediately before the snap or free kick.

No way this was an attempt to deceive.

My 8 year old son's knock knock jokes are more deceptive than that substitution was.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

If he didn't come from the sideline I may agree but it is borderline IP!

d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other
attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents
at or immediately before the snap or free kick.

Please give an example of the player who was deceived in this play.

[bigjohn]

RULING: False start by A1 in both (a) and (b). These
are acts interpreted to cause an opponent to encroach and, therefore, are
infractions. It is the intent of the rules to prohibit such acts. Whether or not the
action by A1 draws B into the neutral zone should not be the determining factor
in ruling a false-start foul. The action by A1 in (c) is legal. (7-1-7b)

Same logic in my book!!!

[Adam]

The rule you quoted specifies "to deceive..."

If I'm going to flag someone based on that rule, I have to be able to tell it was an attempt to deceive. In order for that to happen, there's going to have to be some actual deception. Or at least a decent chance of deception.

There's neither here. No one was deceived. No one could have been deceived. The player made it close enough to the 9s that you really can't tell if he made it or not.

So, I see neither an attempt to deceive, nor even a technical breaking of the rules. What's the call again?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

If he didn't come from the sideline I may agree but it is borderline IP!

d. To use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, athletic trainer or other
attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents
at or immediately before the snap or free kick.

I hear you ... but if you're looking to THIS rule to make it illegal, you're ignoring both the "to deceive opponents" (which obviously they didn't - the defense covered him) and the "at or immediately before the snap" part (There was plenty of time between him coming to his position and the snap.