Is a PF An Automatic First Down?

[Spence]

3rd and 20 due to a holding call. Next play results in a personal foul against the defense . 15 yards marked off but it's still short of the first down. 4th down or 1st down due to the personal foul?

[maven]

For NFHS, no, it's not automatic (for garden variety PF).

[Spence]

Originally Posted by maven

For NFHS, no, it's not automatic (for garden variety PF).

Thanks for the response. What would be a non-"garden variety" PF that would result in a 1st down?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Spence

Thanks for the response. What would be a non-"garden variety" PF that would result in a 1st down?

Anything that starts with "roughing."

[Spence]

Originally Posted by maven

Anything that starts with "roughing."

Late hit after the whistle on a non-ball carrier? No automatic first?

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by Spence

Late hit after the whistle on a non-ball carrier? No automatic first?

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

No AFD.

The only fouls that carry an AFD in the NFHS code are roughing the passer, roughing the kicker, and roughing the snapper.

[Matt-MI]

InsideTheStripe

You forgot Roughing the Holder.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Spence

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

NCAA is different: were you watching/listening to a game played under NFHS rules? Some HS games are not.

Also: broadcasters are not a reliable source regarding rulings or rules.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by maven

NCAA is different: were you watching/listening to a game played under NFHS rules? Some HS games are not.

Also: broadcasters are not a reliable source regarding rulings or rules.

Ain't that the truth!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Spence

Late hit after the whistle on a non-ball carrier? No automatic first?

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

This is why you do not listen to broadcasters for rules knowledge.

Peace

[OKREF]

One the way home from a game last year, and listening to a radio guy say the following. "Block below the waist on the defense! That's impossible, the defense can't do that. These guys are horrible. I just don't understand where they get these guys"

Just so happens our crew was from the town he does radio for. We called him and told him that it was possible. Defensive back came up to try and play a sweep, and cut the offensive lineman at the knees.

[Tom.OH]

Originally Posted by OKREF

One the way home from a game last year, and listening to a radio guy say the following. "Block below the waist on the defense! That's impossible, the defense can't do that. These guys are horrible. I just don't understand where they get these guys"

Just so happens our crew was from the town he does radio for. We called him and told him that it was possible. Defensive back came up to try and play a sweep, and cut the offensive lineman at the knees.

Well your "common tater" was kinda right, "... The defense can't do that".

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Tom.OH

Well your "common tater" was kinda right, "... The defense can't do that".

True enough!