Is a PF An Automatic First Down?

[Spence]

3rd and 20 due to a holding call. Next play results in a personal foul against the defense . 15 yards marked off but it's still short of the first down. 4th down or 1st down due to the personal foul?

[maven]

For NFHS, no, it's not automatic (for garden variety PF).

[Spence]

Originally Posted by maven

For NFHS, no, it's not automatic (for garden variety PF).

Thanks for the response. What would be a non-"garden variety" PF that would result in a 1st down?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Spence

Thanks for the response. What would be a non-"garden variety" PF that would result in a 1st down?

Anything that starts with "roughing."

[Spence]

Originally Posted by maven

Anything that starts with "roughing."

Late hit after the whistle on a non-ball carrier? No automatic first?

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by Spence

Late hit after the whistle on a non-ball carrier? No automatic first?

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

No AFD.

The only fouls that carry an AFD in the NFHS code are roughing the passer, roughing the kicker, and roughing the snapper.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Spence

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

NCAA is different: were you watching/listening to a game played under NFHS rules? Some HS games are not.

Also: broadcasters are not a reliable source regarding rulings or rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Spence

Late hit after the whistle on a non-ball carrier? No automatic first?

I ask because I heard it mentioned on a broadcast. Just curious.

This is why you do not listen to broadcasters for rules knowledge.

Peace