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asdf Tue Sep 24, 2013 09:14am
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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 905874)
How about you just paddle the coach at halftime or suspend him for a quarter!
How about just giving the coach a choice.....

Swallow it or ejection ..........

Robert Goodman Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 905842)
You guys all are forgetting the most important thing here. The football field, basketball court, baseball diamond or whatever surface your sport is played on isn't just an extra-curricular site. It is an extension of the classroom and at the high school level we as officials are educators too. It is our responsibility to enforce sportsmanship and other rules. As an educator you would not allow any sort of tobacco in your classroom and that is what the football field is, a classroom.

And for those of you that say this isn't a safety rule, try checking this out.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pict...GoPmqQHljoDICQ
You could get killed driving to or from the game, too. It just seems a far-fetched cx.

And no, I don't think it's an extension of the classroom. Extramural sports are entertainment, a way to blow off steam that happens to be connected to schools for arbitrary reasons. They may get out of phys. ed. for a term by playing a sport, but that's about as far as the cx to instruction goes.

bigjohn Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:44pm
That is a matter of opinion, Robert. Most coaches would say you arre wrong about that.

Robert Goodman Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 905908)
That is a matter of opinion, Robert. Most coaches would say you arre wrong about that.
Most coaches have an inflated idea of their importance. But in that, they're no different from others in "education".

Adam Tue Sep 24, 2013 01:01pm
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Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 905908)
That is a matter of opinion, Robert. Most coaches would say you arre wrong about that.
Maybe, in theory, but if you start applying the same behavior standards on the field that they employ in the classroom, they'd have a cow.

The concept holds true, but it's not exactly the same.

BktBallRef Tue Sep 24, 2013 06:02pm
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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 905842)
You guys all are forgetting the most important thing here. The football field, basketball court, baseball diamond or whatever surface your sport is played on isn't just an extra-curricular site. It is an extension of the classroom and at the high school level we as officials are educators too. It is our responsibility to enforce sportsmanship and other rules. As an educator you would not allow any sort of tobacco in your classroom and that is what the football field is, a classroom.
I'm not forgetting anything. I simply don't agree with your analogy.

The field or court is an extension of the classroom for the student-athletes. On that, we agree.

But if it's an extension for the coaches then that's where administrators come in. They should insure that their coaches don't chew, spit or smoke in the classroom, on the field or the court. It has nothing to do with the rules of the game.

miller1276 Wed Sep 25, 2013 02:12pm
IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 25, 2013 02:23pm
At least the officials didn't get involved in this one. The article didn't make clear whether he was a player.

Welpe Wed Sep 25, 2013 02:49pm
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Originally Posted by miller1276 (Post 906007)
IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.
That's a coach's answer. Clearly you shouldn't be shaking down the sideline for tobacco but sometimes it is something that gets thrown in OUR lap.

Rich Wed Sep 25, 2013 02:50pm
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Originally Posted by miller1276 (Post 906007)
IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.
Are you a coach?

Next thing you'll do is keep my nose out of the dugout when the manager is screaming at me. Oh, wait. Wrong sport.

HLin NC Wed Sep 25, 2013 02:58pm
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IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.
Same answer I get when I enforce the restricted area. Seems nobody cares about official and/or coaches safety.

Adam Wed Sep 25, 2013 03:25pm
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Originally Posted by miller1276 (Post 906007)
IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.
Tell the rules committee, then. Those coaches seem to think we do need to enforce this.

Other than that...
What Welpe said.

Suudy Wed Sep 25, 2013 03:57pm
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 906009)
That's a coach's answer. Clearly you shouldn't be shaking down the sideline for tobacco but sometimes it is something that gets thrown in OUR lap.
Amen. Should it any different if somebody was drunk? Lord knows I've had my share of tipsy chain crew guys...

CT1 Thu Sep 26, 2013 06:13am
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Originally Posted by miller1276 (Post 906007)
IMO you need to stop looking for trouble on the sideline and focus on the game and player safety.
Nobody "looks for trouble". These rules are there for us to use when, for example, we get sprayed by an angry coach.

Adam Thu Sep 26, 2013 07:52am
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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 906069)
Nobody "looks for trouble". These rules are there for us to use when, for example, we get sprayed by an angry coach.
You don't need the tobacco rule for this, IMO.


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