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Old Wed Jul 30, 2003, 06:19pm
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I always hate taking this test but its good to have such a knowledgable group of officials.

Q99 on the test is this: A clock stopped during a period for an official's time-out will start with the ready-for-play signal unless a free kick follows.


I'm thinking False. Official's timeouts cover change of possessions as well. Clock won't start under those situations until the ball is snapped. Anyone recall what last year's answer was?

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Old Wed Jul 30, 2003, 07:41pm
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False. A play on words. Rule 3-2 reads...The clock shall start with the ready-for-play signal for other than a free kick if the clock was stopped...

The tests are weak in as much as they test your knowledge of English more than football.
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Old Wed Jul 30, 2003, 08:40pm
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The tests are weak in as much as they test your knowledge of English more than football.
Just out of curiosity, what do you (directed to everyone) think the NF tests should be?

Rather than the T/F tests that are more about tricks than knowlege, I think they should go to some sort of multiple choice format involving real play senarios. I don't know if this is logistically possible or practical, but I think it would be a more accurate test of rules knowledge.
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Old Wed Jul 30, 2003, 10:08pm
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The answer must be false because the clock on an official's TO after an incomplete pass will start on the snap, not on the ready. It is a play on words.
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Old Wed Jul 30, 2003, 10:19pm
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The answer must be false because the clock on an official's TO after an incomplete pass will start on the snap, not on the ready. It is a play on words.
The period following an incomplete pass is not an official's timeout.

Official's timeouts are:

a. For measurement of a possible first down.
b. When a first down is declared.
c. Following a change of team possession.
d. When captains and coaches are notified of the time remaining.
e. For a player who appears to be injured.
f. For a player in need of equipment repair.
g. To dry or change the game ball.
h. For unusual heat or humidity which may create a health risk to the players.
i. When a coach-referee conference concerning the misapplication of a rule results in the referee altering his ruling. (See 3-5-11)

j. After a foul, to administer the penalty.
k. For any unusual delay in getting the ball ready for play.
l. For a TV/radio time-out that is permitted and granted as authorized by state association policy.
m. For a one-minute intermission between the first and second and the third and fourth periods and following a try, successful field goal or safety and prior to the succeeding free kick.
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Old Thu Jul 31, 2003, 06:06am
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the test should go to maybe a multiple choice with some T/F mixed in. They are full of tricks which is nuts.. For example question 17, "A block in the back is defined as a block with contact inside the shoulders, below the helmet and above the waist." The definition is missing one key element, that the block is in the back. This definition would be false if it is from the front. Now the answer last year was true, I am expecting it to be false this year.
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Old Thu Jul 31, 2003, 07:57am
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Example of what I meant: If there is an injury after an incompleted pass, then, when the officials TO is over, the clock will start on the snap. It would obviously not start on the ready.
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Old Thu Jul 31, 2003, 10:39am
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NFHS should definitely go to multiple choice tests. The linguistic acrobatics they do to get these true-false questions is ridiculous, and the questions wind up being vague or self-contradictory, and not a true test of rules knowledge.

A multiple choice test wouldn't be any harder to administer.
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Old Sun Aug 10, 2003, 09:51pm
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I agree wholehearteldy that the answer should be false, but when my crew took our exam online, we discovered the answer they wanted was true. Another well written question. NOT!
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Old Sun Aug 10, 2003, 09:56pm
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Example of what I meant: If there is an injury after an incompleted pass, then, when the officials TO is over, the clock will start on the snap. It would obviously not start on the ready.
Read the question again, Schultj. The question says "A clock stopped during a period for an official's time-out..." If the previous play had resulted in an incomplete pass, the official's TO would not have stopped the clock. It would already have been stopped. Your situation is different than the question.

But the change of possession issue does make the statement false IMHO.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2003, 02:56pm
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Cool

As a retired educator of 32 years, I believe
that a multiple choice test has a higher "reliability"
than True/False testing. All standardized tests
from IQ tests to the NY State Regent's Exams are
mutltiple choice. I could never understand the
reliance on T/F testing by sports officiating
organizations.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2003, 05:49pm
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I agree that the NF tests are horribly designed. While I believe that some of the questions are designed to trick you, others ae just poorly written.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2003, 06:51pm
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They should have a combination of multiple choice, true/false and then some fill in the blank. (e.g. "The penalty for an illegal forward pass is enforced from _________")

Combine it with some 5 man mechanics questions.

Question - How do you guys work it for giving the Part II exam? We have had "open book", closed book with discussion, open book with discussion, take it home, no name on the answer sheet etc etc. My personal feeling is close the book, put your name on the answer sheet, and let'er rip.

You're only kidding yourself if you don't know the stinkin rules.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2003, 07:47pm
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They should have a combination of multiple choice, true/false and then some fill in the blank. (e.g. "The penalty for an illegal forward pass is enforced from _________")
### I'd rather see a play statment with an answer that requires one to provide Team/Down/Distance/Yardline/Clock. Those type of questions make you read the book!

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Combine it with some 5 man mechanics questions.
### Not fair.... 99% of our games are 4 man mechanics.

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Question - How do you guys work it for giving the Part II exam? We have had "open book", closed book with discussion, open book with discussion, take it home, no name on the answer sheet etc etc. My personal feeling is close the book, put your name on the answer sheet, and let'er rip.

You're only kidding yourself if you don't know the stinkin rules.
###closed book, but it wasn't always done that way.
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Old Tue Aug 12, 2003, 08:28pm
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NC - Closed book, no discussion, 1 hour time limit.
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