Can someone explain (sorry, very basic question)

[SamG]

Just a fan, not a coach, parent (of a football player), or official.

Offense breaks huddle and goes to the line. They look like they're set, then, almost as 1, multiple players (sometimes linemen?), stand up and look to the sideline to see if the coach wants to audible. How is this not a false start?

Also, watching Sugar Bowl last night... Louisville on offense, breaks huddle, gets to the line, appears to be set, then multiple players would shift, everyone sets again, and they hike. How is this not a false start or too many in motion?

I'm sure my understanding of the rule is not right, but hoping someone can set me straight.

thanks

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SamG

Just a fan, not a coach, parent (of a football player), or official.

Offense breaks huddle and goes to the line. They look like they're set, then, almost as 1, multiple players (sometimes linemen?), stand up and look to the sideline to see if the coach wants to audible. How is this not a false start?

Also, watching Sugar Bowl last night... Louisville on offense, breaks huddle, gets to the line, appears to be set, then multiple players would shift, everyone sets again, and they hike. How is this not a false start or too many in motion?

I'm sure my understanding of the rule is not right, but hoping someone can set me straight.

thanks

It is only a false start when the simulate the snap. Players can shift, motion and do all kinds of things even if they are interior lineman before the snap. And it is reasonable when audibles are made to allow the players to hear the call or the change. Only when the lineman put their hand down in the "dirt" are they really restricted from moving off the ground with their hand. Nothing in the rule says they must be totally still or considered in motion if they move their head or if they move a hand. If that is the case then the center would never be able to make signals which they do often when players come to the line for a possible blitz.

Not sure I answered you question totally, but it is a myth that everyone must be totally still. Just like we see the QB move around and make signals to get the snap.

Peace

[bigjohn]

Rule 7 Section 2 ART. 6 . . . After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute
stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands,
feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap.


Myth or Rule?

doesn't matter I guess!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Rule 7 Section 2 ART. 6 . . . After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute
stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands,
feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap.


Myth or Rule?

doesn't matter I guess!

Nope!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Rule 7 Section 2 ART. 6 . . . After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute
stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands,
feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap.


Myth or Rule?

doesn't matter I guess!

What does that have to do with pre-snap shifting?

Peace

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Myth or Rule?

doesn't matter I guess!

It only matters if an official deems that the rule was violated.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Rule 7 Section 2 ART. 6 . . . After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute
stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands,
feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap.


Myth or Rule?

doesn't matter I guess!

As usual ... a rule that doesn't apply to the situation posted.

[HLin NC]

To those of you poking fun or griping that "you've already discussed this

Not every post is a reply to you.

[bigjohn]

I see a lot of trading of TE and WB etc then an opposite side back going in motion almost immediately. Also the guard signally the snap by slapping the center technically violates the rule I posted. I also see lineman with their hand down squatting and looking to the sideline for play change, spirit of the rule says once the hand is down, stop moving.



c. Any A player on his line between the snapper and the player on the end of his line, after having placed a hand(s) on or near the ground, moves his hand(s) or makes any quick movement.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

I see a lot of trading of TE and WB etc then an opposite side back going in motion almost immediately. Also the guard signally the snap by slapping the center technically violates the rule I posted. I also see lineman with their hand down squatting and looking to the sideline for play change, spirit of the rule says once the hand is down, stop moving.



c. Any A player on his line between the snapper and the player on the end of his line, after having placed a hand(s) on or near the ground, moves his hand(s) or makes any quick movement.

No it doesn't. I am watching off and on the Fiesta Bowl and both teams do a lot of movement before the snap and even in a couple of cases look to the sideline. They are getting set before the snap and that was not what was asked. It was asked that could they look to the sideline and nothing in the rule suggests they cannot. Also not all lineman in the examples last night were with their hands on the ground. So yes they can look around as long as they do not simulate the snap. And this is why once again if you had to call this part of the game and you flagged every movement you would be working freshman ball for the rest of your life. Better yet you would not get a snap off if you were that technical for sure.

And as I am watching the Fiesta Bowl, I just saw a call for players not getting set.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Rule 7 Section 2 ART. 6 . . . After a huddle or shift all 11 players of A shall come to an absolute
stop and shall remain stationary simultaneously without movement of hands,
feet, head or body for at least one second before the snap.


Myth or Rule?

doesn't matter I guess!

Nothing in that rule says they can't shift AFTER all 11 are set for 1 second.

They simply have to reset for 1 second again before the ball is snapped.

They can do this as many times as they like within the allotted play clock time.

Originally Posted by bigjohn

I see a lot of trading of TE and WB etc then an opposite side back going in motion almost immediately. Also the guard signally the snap by slapping the center technically violates the rule I posted. I also see lineman with their hand down squatting and looking to the sideline for play change, spirit of the rule says once the hand is down, stop moving.

Double BS.

1- You enjoy nothing more than spewing such crap to make officials look bad.

2- No rule says he must stop moving once his hand is down. There's no such thing as the "spirit of the rule" saying anything.

Start your hibernation, bigjohn. See you in August.

[SamG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is only a false start when the simulate the snap. Players can shift, motion and do all kinds of things even if they are interior lineman before the snap. And it is reasonable when audibles are made to allow the players to hear the call or the change. Only when the lineman put their hand down in the "dirt" are they really restricted from moving off the ground with their hand. Nothing in the rule says they must be totally still or considered in motion if they move their head or if they move a hand. If that is the case then the center would never be able to make signals which they do often when players come to the line for a possible blitz.

Not sure I answered you question totally, but it is a myth that everyone must be totally still. Just like we see the QB move around and make signals to get the snap.

Peace

Thanks for the answer. I guess what throws me off is when you see (generally) a lineman "flinch", and the flag is thrown.

[bigjohn]

If they all are bouncing around and then they don't all pause for 1 full second it should be called but seldom is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

If they all are bouncing around and then they don't all pause for 1 full second it should be called but seldom is.

Not even the rule he was referencing or asking about. And the rule does not suggest and interpretations does not state that they must be completely still. The rule is violated when they simulated the snap.

Peace

[maven]

Originally Posted by SamG

Thanks for the answer. I guess what throws me off is when you see (generally) a lineman "flinch", and the flag is thrown.

That's a foul for false start because the lineman has simulated the snap. Teams that look to the sideline for the play have to be careful not to jerk up in their shifting, or they risk being flagged for FS.

The shifting you saw Louisville do involved backs (including receivers lined up off the line of scrimmage) and ends only. But by rule all 11 on offense are permitted to shift, and to do so as often as they wish within the limits of the play clock.

Before snapping the ball (or 1 player legally going in motion just before the snap), all 11 must be perfectly still for 1 second.