NFHS question

[HLin NC]

Rule: 2-32-11
A passer is a player who throws a legal forward pass. He continues to be a passer until the legal forward pass ends or until he moves to participate in the play.

[maven]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Rule: 2-32-11
A passer is a player who throws a legal forward pass. He continues to be a passer until the legal forward pass ends or until he moves to participate in the play.

Well that explains how Jason's H came to the conclusion he did: he misinterpreted this definition as saying that the passer is such until the passing ends.

[JasonLJ]

Originally Posted by maven

Well that explains how Jason's H came to the conclusion he did: he misinterpreted this definition as saying that the passer is such until the passing ends.

I still had it as roughing, same as the WH. It was when the other official came in and said that the ball was tipped so roughing is no longer in question is when any doubt crept in. I was sure we enforced it correctly, just wanted some feedback.

[maven]

Originally Posted by JasonLJ

I still had it as roughing, same as the WH. It was when the other official came in and said that the ball was tipped so roughing is no longer in question is when any doubt crept in. I was sure we enforced it correctly, just wanted some feedback.

That's fine, and I'm glad to know you handled it correctly.

I was simply commenting on this other official: when telling someone he's wrong, I always try to start with a win for him. For instance: "You know, Bob, you're right: when B tips the ball, you can't have PI. But I don't think that provision applies to RTP. The passer is still protected."

I was thinking something similar about his concern that the passer was no longer a passer after the ball was released. "Bob, you're right, he does cease to be a passer at some point, but I think he has until the pass ends."

[JasonLJ]

Originally Posted by maven

That's fine, and I'm glad to know you handled it correctly.

I was simply commenting on this other official: when telling someone he's wrong, I always try to start with a win for him. For instance: "You know, Bob, you're right: when B tips the ball, you can't have PI. But I don't think that provision applies to RTP. The passer is still protected."

I was thinking something similar about his concern that the passer was no longer a passer after the ball was released. "Bob, you're right, he does cease to be a passer at some point, but I think he has until the pass ends."

Good idea. Thanks.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by maven

That's fine, and I'm glad to know you handled it correctly.

I was simply commenting on this other official: when telling someone he's wrong, I always try to start with a win for him. For instance: "You know, Bob, you're right: when B tips the ball, you can't have PI. But I don't think that provision applies to RTP. The passer is still protected."

I was thinking something similar about his concern that the passer was no longer a passer after the ball was released. "Bob, you're right, he does cease to be a passer at some point, but I think he has until the pass ends."

Maybe he was thinking the pass ends when the ball is tipped?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Maybe he was thinking the pass ends when the ball is tipped?

That is what I was thinking. That is going to be a longer discussion to change that thinking in that moment.

Peace

[tjones1]

Was this a Coach-Referee conference?

[maven]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is what I was thinking. That is going to be a longer discussion to change that thinking in that moment.

Peace

Not much longer: "It is still a forward pass until it is caught or becomes dead by rule."

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JasonLJ

I still had it as roughing, same as the WH.

Not trying to be ugly, but why were you looking at the QB?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CT1

Not trying to be ugly, but why were you looking at the QB?

I did not take this has him actually looking at the QB or passer. I took this has him explaining why he would go with RTP. As this appears to have been a coach-official conference. And depending on the play, he would be looking at the QB rolling to his side and might notice him getting hit and might even notice a tipped ball immediately as well.

Peace

[JasonLJ]

Originally Posted by CT1

Not trying to be ugly, but why were you looking at the QB?

I wasn't. I actually was umpiring this game. The WH asked if the ball was tipped, I told him it was. I was just agreeing that if he had roughing, then the call should stand regardless of the tipped ball.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JasonLJ

I wasn't. I actually was umpiring this game. The WH asked if the ball was tipped, I told him it was. I was just agreeing that if he had roughing, then the call should stand regardless of the tipped ball.

OK, sorry. I took your post to mean that you *also* thought the hit on the passer was RTP.