Official "banned" for flagging band

[gostars]

Ref banned after silencing Garland middle school band | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

Ref banned after silencing Garland middle school band

by TERESA WOODARD
WFAA
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Updated yesterday at 10:38 PM

GARLAND — The Hudson Middle School band was doing what bands do: Playing for fans in the stands and revving up the players, too.
But a referee on the field wanted quiet.

"He was shushing us," said 13-year-old trombone player Maegen Benavidez.
Band mom Jo Ann Brewer couldn't believe it. "Hudson had the ball, our band started to play... and that's when the ref threw the flag," she said.
The official reportedly told Hudson's band director that the middle school football team would keep being penalized if the band kept playing. He said they were just too loud.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by gostars

Ref banned after silencing Garland middle school band | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

Ref banned after silencing Garland middle school band

by TERESA WOODARD
WFAA
Posted on October 17, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Updated yesterday at 10:38 PM

GARLAND — The Hudson Middle School band was doing what bands do: Playing for fans in the stands and revving up the players, too.
But a referee on the field wanted quiet.

"He was shushing us," said 13-year-old trombone player Maegen Benavidez.
Band mom Jo Ann Brewer couldn't believe it. "Hudson had the ball, our band started to play... and that's when the ref threw the flag," she said.
The official reportedly told Hudson's band director that the middle school football team would keep being penalized if the band kept playing. He said they were just too loud.

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The official was ordered to leave? That would be the last time I'd send officials to that school district.

And since when do bands play while the game is actually going on? I know when I was in HS, the band was *not allowed* to play during play.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by Rich

The official was ordered to leave? That would be the last time I'd send officials to that school district.

And since when do bands play while the game is actually going on? I know when I was in HS, the band was *not allowed* to play during play.

All the time in Georgia. All the time.

[MD Longhorn]

According to the DFOA, they are backing the school. What crap. Glad I left them. The band can't play during live action. Period. That's the NCAA rule (which Texas plays by) and is also in the UIL guidelines. They were warned, and chose to continue breaking the rule.

And the REF is penalized for enforcing the rule? There's no way in hello I'd ever set foot on that school's field again.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

According to the DFOA, they are backing the school. What crap. Glad I left them. The band can't play during live action. Period. That's the NCAA rule (which Texas plays by) and is also in the UIL guidelines. They were warned, and chose to continue breaking the rule.

And the REF is penalized for enforcing the rule? There's no way in hello I'd ever set foot on that school's field again.

When officials throw other officials under the bus, it makes me ill. Again, I've never lived in a state where a band was allowed to play during live action.

Could this official handled things more diplomatically? No clue - I wasn't there. Perhaps he did and the band director ignored him. I've seen many bands where they think the football game is a side activity for the band concert that's taking place at halftime.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've seen many bands where they think the football game is a side activity for the band concert that's taking place at halftime.

As a former drum major, I can assure you that the football game is merely the pre-concert and post-concert show.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

As a former drum major, I can assure you that the football game is merely the pre-concert and post-concert show.

I'd personally flag any band who takes more than 1:10 to play the anthem.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

And since when do bands play while the game is actually going on? I know when I was in HS, the band was *not allowed* to play during play.

It happens all the time here and I find it particularly dreadful. It's as if the football game is interrupting the band review.

A chapter sticking up for the district / school instead of officials. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

I better walk away from this thread before my blood pressure spikes.

[Forksref]

Rules? Rules?? We don't need no stinkin rules!!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Rich

And since when do bands play while the game is actually going on? I know when I was in HS, the band was *not allowed* to play during play.

No such rule in NC.

[bigjohn]

OHSAA Handbook says this:

12. Bands
A. It shall be the responsibility of the host school’s Athletic Director to notify the visiting
school’s Athletic Director whether the visiting school’s band will be permitted at its
homecoming.
B. The half-time intermission shall be limited to 20-minutes. The clock will start immediately
when both teams and the game officials clear the field. At the conclusion of 20-minutes, a
three-minute warm-up period is required for both teams and will be timed on the game
clock.
C. If the bands of both competing schools are to perform at half-time, no more than 9-
minutes shall be allotted to the host schools band for its performance and no more than 9-
minutes shall be allotted for the visiting schools band performance.
D. A full band is not permitted to play through amplified microphones during the football
game.
E. Bands shall assemble and stay outside the field of play and end zone until the first half
has been completed before coming onto these areas. The same shall be repeated at the
end of the game.

F. The home team’s band shall not be seated behind the visiting team’s restraining area
which is commonly referred to as the 25 to 25 yard lines.
G. Bands shall not play music at football games while the ball is in play, or while signals are
being called by the quarterback. This means that it is not permissible to use either:
1. Drum roll or beat
2. Cymbals clashing
3. Horn sounds, or
4. Any other kind of musical instrument while the play is underway in football.
H. Roving bands shall be allowed to participate at the discretion of the host Athletic Director.
However, such bands shall not perform while the ball is in play or while signals are being
called by the quarterback.
Also, the roving band shall not perform behind the visiting team’s bench area. If a roving
band is found in violation of this agreement, that band shall be suspended from roving the
remainder of that season at any football games.

http://ohsaa.org/sports/ft/boys/manual.pdf

[CT1]

No rule in our state, either. And it happens in every game I call.

The players don't seem to be bothered by it.

[jchamp]

There are hardly any bands in the Vegas valley that are able to distract the players, sadly enough. The directors do a pretty good job of policing themselves. But they're so small I don't think it would affect the action anymore than the PA guy who shouts "It's a REVERSE!" over the loudspeaker.

With a couple of exceptions, there's hardly any CROWDS large enough to be noticed. Sad state of affairs in high school football here.

[MD Longhorn]

Doesn't really matter if there are a few states who don't find it problematic that the crowd can use artificial noisemakers to disrupt the opposing teams signals, even though I find that very very odd.

It DOES matter that there is such a rule in Texas, where this game was played.

It DOES matter that an official chose to enforce the rule (after 2 warnings, neither of which were actually required to be given), and is being banned from the district for enforcing a rule.

It DOES matter that the official's organization publicly commented that he was wrong (whether he was or was not ... since when is this ok for junior high officials????)

It DOES matter that the official's organization is not backing their official against this district and allowing the district to determine, in contradiction to what the state has put in writing, which rules to enforce or not enforce.

And every single one of you should be bothered by this.

[waltjp]

Here's what I don't understand -

The Hudson Middle School band was doing what bands do: Playing ... Hudson had the ball

Have the coach tell his own band to be quiet.

And this -

After the band left the stadium, the official was ordered to leave, too.

The officials are a team. If one goes, we all go.