triple foul question

[bniu]

Defense was offside, offense commits holding, defense commits pass interference. Two penalties against the defense, one against the offense. Does this still offset?

Another question, offense commits holding, throws an interception, defense returns the ball, illegal block in the back on the return, defense fumbles the ball, offense recovers the fumble, starts to advance it and commits another holding foul. What's the ruling here?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bniu

Defense was offside, offense commits holding, defense commits pass interference. Two penalties against the defense, one against the offense. Does this still offset?

Yes they do. Live ball fouls by both teams without a change of possession will offset.

Another question, offense commits holding, throws an interception, defense returns the ball, illegal block in the back on the return, defense fumbles the ball, offense recovers the fumble, starts to advance it and commits another holding foul. What's the ruling here?

The fouls will offset and the down will be replayed.

[Texas Aggie]

offense commits holding, throws an interception, defense returns the ball, illegal block in the back on the return

If you stopped right here, the Defense, as you put it, would have the option to decline the holding penalty and have their penalty enforced and keep the ball. However, the exception only exists for the team last gaining possession, and they must be "clean" prior to gaining possession.

The only other thing to remember is that any penalty may be declined. There are a few very narrow situations where fouls by both team have penalties that are declined and the result of the play stands. These are basically once a decade situations for officials but they have happened.

Note also that the NFL has different rules than Fed and NCAA do.

[Adam]

Defense does not have clean hands here. They won't be able to keep the ball unless for some reason the offense declines the "offsides". Replay the down.

In fed, this play was over before it started.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bniu

Defense was offside, offense commits holding, defense commits pass interference. Two penalties against the defense, one against the offense. Does this still offset?

CANADIAN RULING:

All of those are minor fouls, so only one on each team gets enforced.

The DPI is worth more than the offside, so A will decline the defensive offside.

(i) If the DPI was >= 15y downfield, it's a 15 yard foul.
(ii) If the DPI was < 15y downfield, it's a 10 yard foul in a dual foul situation.

Balance the two at PLS, and repeat the down (or 1D if YG). Either (i) up 5 yards, or (ii) at PLS. No AFD for the DPI in a dual.

Originally Posted by bniu

Another question, offense commits holding, throws an interception, defense returns the ball, illegal block in the back on the return, defense fumbles the ball, offense recovers the fumble, starts to advance it and commits another holding foul. What's the ruling here?

CANADIAN RULING:

Team A (the team with possession when then play ended) will most definitely decline the B hold so that B doesn't keep the ball. B will most definitely accept a Team A hold that puts A in the most disadvantageous position: loss of 10 from PLS and repeat the down, or 1D/10 @ PBH-10yards of the 2nd hold.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by bniu

Defense was offside, offense commits holding, defense commits pass interference. Two penalties against the defense, one against the offense. Does this still offset?

It's early so I might be confused, but in NFHS, don't we shut down the play when the defense is offsides? None of those other penalties should have happened.

[bigjohn]

I can not for the life of me find the word offsides in my NFHS rules Books!!!

[MD Longhorn]

If the defense was offside, we must be playing Canadian football ... therefore, go with JR's ruling.

[maven]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

It's early so I might be confused, but in NFHS, don't we shut down the play when the defense is offsides? None of those other penalties should have happened.

You're confused only by the terminology. NFHS rules prohibit encroachment, and the ball is dead when the defense encroaches. Offsides — where a defender enters the NZ and fails to return before the ball is snapped and becomes live — is thus impossible by rule.

[MNBlue]

I agree to all the 'offsides' comments. I was reading bniu OP as incorrect terminology and stayed with it to avoid a terminology debate.

[Welpe]

You all are assuming he's not asking about NCAA, NFL or even CFL (ok that's probably a stretch).

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You all are assuming he's not asking about NCAA, NFL or even CFL (ok that's probably a stretch).

The types of plays he is describing to sound very similar to 5th grade football.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

The types of plays he is describing to sound very similar to 5th grade football.

I agree but around here we play that under NCAA so you never know.

[maven]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

I agree to all the 'offsides' comments. I was reading bniu OP as incorrect terminology and stayed with it to avoid a terminology debate.

The OP doesn't specify a ruleset, so we can't assume bniu's terminology is incorrect. He might be talking about NCAA or NFL, which DO have offsides.

But when you specified NFHS and still referred to 'offsides', YOUR terminology was incorrect. Apparently you realized that but went with it anyway?