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JugglingReferee Wed Oct 10, 2012 06:28pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 857851)
Today was a day off and I was probably in the books for at least 2 hours today. And it was a light day. Where do I send my bill?

I did a Saturday college game earlier this season where I earned less than $10/hour if you considered my time from when I left the house and when I returned.
When I talk to some people, they comment on how well we are paid. ($50 / high school game, which takes 2 hours.)

I tell them for every hour we spend on the field, we spend at least an hour off the field. This includes clinics, conferences, camps, etc.

Then we have our uniform, etc. I spend some each year on items that need replacing.

Most people are shocked to hear what we actually get paid all things considered.

Forksref Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:26pm
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 857784)

Subtract TV timeouts from the college games and I wouldn't be surprised to see timing similar to that of what we have for HS games now.

I am the red hat official (Timeout coordinator) for Big Sky Conference games at the University of North Dakota and we have 3 90-sec timeouts per quarter. What looks like a quick-moving game turns out to be 3 hours.

Agreed on the NFHS change. Depending on the number of COP's the games are a lot longer now.

BktBallRef Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 857855)
Change in the timing rules has little to do with Federation game times.
I can't agree with you. Starting on the snap after a change of possession has added 10-15 minutes. 3 minute warmup has added 3 more.

Proof: JV games here use 12 minutes quarters but we use the old timing rules. Most JV games last 2 hours or less.

Rich Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 857892)
I can't agree with you. Starting on the snap after a change of possession has added 10-15 minutes. 3 minute warmup has added 3 more.

Proof: JV games here use 12 minutes quarters but we use the old timing rules. Most JV games last 2 hours or less.
We use the new timing rules, but most conferences play 10 minute quarters. About 2 hour games then, too.

Adam Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 857896)
We use the new timing rules, but most conferences play 10 minute quarters. About 2 hour games then, too.
That's how we do it, and the game lengths are the same; normally under two hours.

CT1 Thu Oct 11, 2012 06:15am
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Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 857855)
Change in the timing rules has little to do with Federation game times.
My estimate of 15 minutes is based on the difference in our association's game times in the season (1994?) that the new rule took effect. Same players, same style of offense -- the only difference was the rule change.

Welpe Thu Oct 11, 2012 08:05am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 857896)
We use the new timing rules, but most conferences play 10 minute quarters. About 2 hour games then, too.
In California, I had you both beat. Subvarsity played 10 minutes with the old timing rules. Those games flew by.

Rich Thu Oct 11, 2012 08:45am
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Originally Posted by ct1 (Post 857909)
my estimate of 15 minutes is based on the difference in our association's game times in the season (1994?) that the new rule took effect. Same players, same style of offense -- the only difference was the rule change.
1996 was the year. The old timing rules for NFHS (for those who still play them) were 16 years ago.

bisonlj Fri Oct 12, 2012 09:20am
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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 857818)
I estimate that the clock rule added 15 minutes to my games. More incomplete passes and kickoffs have added about another 20. Our standard 20-min. halftime (used to be 15) plus the mandatory 3-minute warmup have added another 8.

So, my 1:45 average game has turned into about 2:20. It's a good thing I'm getting paid $15 more.
I've only been doing this under the current timing rules but the quickest varsity game I've ever had was probably 2:10. They are usually 2:20 to 2:30. We've had a couple go over 3:00 but that is because of a lot of scoring, a lot of fouls, or a lot of incomplete passes (or a combination). I think starting the clock on OOB plays like NCAA does would cut out at least 10-15 minutes.

Rich Fri Oct 12, 2012 09:58am
Our fastest games are ones where we have a running clock the entire second half (we have a 35 point second half running clock rule). Those can be over in under 2 hours, but they're lousy games.


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