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Old Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:27pm
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:56am
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Wow.

The only possible foul #24 could have commited would be a hold during the route after the ball was in the air, but there's no evidence of that in the clip. And even if that were true, it didn't alter the receiver's route or keep him from getting to the ball.

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Old Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:37am
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There was a DPI call in Monday night's game that was just as bad. Hard to know what these guys think they're seeing.
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2012, 08:23am
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There was a DPI call in Monday night's game that was just as bad. Hard to know what these guys think they're seeing.
Agree. I suspect that they're not adjusted to the speed of the game and resort to guessing when a pass is incomplete.
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:25am
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Agree. I suspect that they're not adjusted to the speed of the game and resort to guessing when a pass is incomplete.
I think it has more to do with not properly watching their keys or holding them long enough.
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2012, 09:46am
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I think it has more to do with not properly watching their keys or holding them long enough.
I think you're both right. I've seen blatant examples of both. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a play end, and then look for the official, and waiting 3-5 seconds before he even gets into camera view, much less marks his spot.

Last night was a mess. Flabbergasted that the NFL continues this way.
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Old Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:15am
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Last night was a mess. Flabbergasted that the NFL continues this way.
The NFL will continue until enough of the stakeholders flinch.
As best as the general public is aware, the stakeholders are:

1) Officials -- getting paid to perform a service.
2) Team Owners -- paying officials out of their earnings in return for the service.
3) Players -- stats and other performance metrics potentially harmed by quality of officials' work.
4) League Administrators -- Quality of their product (and hence, earnings) directly impacted by quality of official's work.
5) TV contractors -- Product quality (and therefore, potential revenue) based on willingness of fans to see a poorer product of the NFL.
6) Fans -- consumers of the ultimate product, and providers of the revenue.
7) "Vegas" -- Revenue generated from willingness of fans to bet on games, but can only apply indirect pressure to the wound.

You could probably consider merchandisers a stakeholder as well, but I consider them lumped with the teams or the league.

Each of these has their own way of demonstrating that they are tired of it, but every one of them ultimately comes down to how much money they provide.

Fans are still attending games, Vegas is still getting bets, and TV advertisers are still buying commercials. Unless one of these sources of revenue declines enough to hurt, AND it can be attributed to quality of the replacement officials, there will be no change.

At the moment, people are content to whine and complain about the quality of officials. I wouldn't bet on a serious psychological change before Thanksgiving... maybe not until playoffs.
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There was a DPI call in Monday night's game that was just as bad. Hard to know what these guys think they're seeing.
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You can see from B32's reaction that he was genuinely surprised by the flag — compared to the "shocked! shocked!" reaction that guilty parties often display.
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Old Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:31am
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IMO, the announcers are quite generous here.
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Old Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:48am
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IMO, the announcers are quite generous here.
For me, this is the worst part of having replacement officials. The safety angle is not the greatest risk, and game management, while a nuisance, is mere delay.

Players want to adjust to how the game is going to be called: linemen adjust to how you're calling holding, DB's to how you're calling DPI, etc.

But there's no adjusting to bad calls.
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