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[D Ray]

There must be an error in D. How can you have 4/9, enforce a penalty, then have the next down for A be 4/G? Either the penalty yardage will be enough for a new series (1/G), or replay 4th down with something to go. In the answer D the ball will be at B4 which is 8 yards away from the previous spot. My math tells me that would be 4/1.

For the record, I do not think D is correct. I have not done any research yet, but if one of these HAS to be correct, I will vote for C.

Is the foul for defensive holding under NCAA a 10 or 5 yard walk-off plus a first down?

[ODJ]

Assuming hold occurs after the ball has passed the goal line, C).
Although I'd opt for a dead ball PF, not a hold, B 1/G @ A25.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Assuming hold occurs after the ball has passed the goal line, C).
Although I'd opt for a dead ball PF, not a hold, B 1/G @ A25.

But the ball isn't dead until it's clear the FG is unsuccessful, right?

(I'm new to Football, so I'm following this thread to learn.)

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

But the ball isn't dead until it's clear the FG is unsuccessful, right?

(I'm new to Football, so I'm following this thread to learn.)

Almost...

The FG could be rolling on the ground short of the goal line and still be live. It's clearly unsuccessful, but since it's a scrimmage kick, it's still live until it breaks the plane of the goal line, comes to rest with no one around, recovered and downed by the receiving team (defensive team) or goes out of bounds short of the goal line.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by asdf

Almost...

The FG could be rolling on the ground short of the goal line and still be live. It's clearly unsuccessful, but since it's a scrimmage kick, it's still live until it breaks the plane of the goal line, comes to rest with no one around, recovered and downed by the receiving team (defensive team) or goes out of bounds short of the goal line.

Fair enough, but in the OP, the FG attempt hits the crossbar. It's already crossed the goal line. So at this point, once it's apparent the FG attempt is not successful, the ball becomes dead, right? How can you have a DB foul if it occurs "during the kick?"

I was responding to ODJ's assertion that the ball is dead once the ball passed the goal line.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I was responding to ODJ's assertion that the ball is dead once the ball passed the goal line.

Gotcha.... you already understand the rule and know that ODJ's assertion is incorrect -- 4-2-2d2


As Walt correctly points out, this play is silly. That being said, if somehow this could all take place in a very short window, nobody with a lick of sense would consider throwing a flag for holding in the EZ on this play. Flagging this for a dead ball foul would be even worse.

The hold while the kick is in the air has absolutely no impact on what happens with this play. The field goal will either be good, or no good and the ball will become dead when the kick ends.

This uses the same rationale that we use to ignore a hold immediately after the snap by a defender on the near sideline when the play goes immediately to the far sideline.

[Welpe]

I agree that the whole premise of the question is silly. It's one thing to test rule knowledge but another for the test writer to try and show off how smart he is.

[MD Longhorn]

Perhaps this was meant to be a passing play, but due to the hold in the endzone, his player was not open, and Doug Flutie drop-kicked it through the uprights.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

E. Why would you call defensive holding in the EZ on a field goal attempt?

That was my thought too -- that the practical answer is you didn't see it. Holding by R could only be an advantage to set up a subsequent runback, which would be possible in Fed only until the ball reached the goal line and in NCAA only until it hit the bar, and given the circumstances I don't think either was in the offing.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Perhaps this was meant to be a passing play, but due to the hold in the endzone, his player was not open, and Doug Flutie drop-kicked it through the uprights.

He said the holding occurred during the kick.