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ChickenOfNC Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:05am

Gotta play for you
 
This is from a test presented at our local clinic. I'll give the play and the options given:

Score tied - 1st overtime period. A 4/9 @ B12. A19's field goal hits the cross bar and lands in the end zone. During the kick, B55 holds A88 in the end zone.

A) Safety
B) A 1/G @ B6
C) Carry foul over to next overtime period
D) A 4/G @ B4 - PSK does not apply

(Obviously you cannot have 4/9 in overtime, but I think he threw that in there to see if anybody would catch it)

EDIT: NFHS RULES ONLY

ump33 Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:22pm

Is none of the above an option?

PSK does not apply so we have a foul during a Kick (Loose Ball Play) and the enforcement spot is the previous spot (10-4-2b).

The resulting down will be 4th & G at the B6 if the previous spot was the B12 or 4th & G at the B4 1/2 if the previous spot was the B9.

ChickenOfNC Tue Jul 17, 2012 01:48pm

None of the above was not an option, although I agree it should be.

He wouldn't tell us the answer, but assured us that one of them was correct. I'm not so sure about that.

MD Longhorn Tue Jul 17, 2012 02:19pm

B. Easy. Think about it.

What is the penalty for defensive holding?

Rich Tue Jul 17, 2012 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 849336)
B. Easy. Think about it.

What is the penalty for defensive holding?

It doesn't carry an automatic first down.

ChickenOfNC Tue Jul 17, 2012 02:24pm

Sorry, should specify this is NFHS

ChickenOfNC Tue Jul 17, 2012 02:27pm

We think it should be 1/2 distance from previous spot - 4/G from the B6.

But he swears one of those answers is correct and there are no typos.

Welpe Tue Jul 17, 2012 03:04pm

None of those answers are correct for NFHS.

HLin NC Tue Jul 17, 2012 03:44pm

E. Why would you call defensive holding in the EZ on a field goal attempt?:eek:

I want to go with (B) because of the succeeding spot is half the distance but can't figure out why it would be first down. however I'm going to select (C) because it doesn't define the enforcement.

I am utilizing the WAG principle at this point:(

MD Longhorn Tue Jul 17, 2012 04:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChickenOfNC (Post 849338)
Sorry, should specify this is NFHS

Ah... nevermind! :)

I now notice your aside that there can't be 4th and 9 from the 12... does this imply that in FED, you cannot EVER have chains in overtime? Even, for example, after a DPI at the 15?

PS - if he insists there are no typos ... what is 4th and 9 from the 12? Is it possible he's being sneaky and the 4th and 9 from the 12 is supposed to be your clue that the game is not FED, but instead NCAA?

CT1 Tue Jul 17, 2012 04:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 849352)
does this imply that in FED, you cannot EVER have chains in overtime? Even, for example, after a DPI at the 15?

Correct. By rule, all new series in FED overtime are 1st-and-goal, regardless of where they start.

PLAY: Team A wins the toss to begin overtime. There is a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty pending against Team B. What are A's options?

ANSWER: A may (1) choose to go on offense, 1st-and-goal from the B-5, or (2) choose to play defense, with B having the ball 1st-and-goal at the A-25.

bigjohn Tue Jul 17, 2012 04:43pm

Ohio uses modified OT, we can have a first an ten.

Rich Tue Jul 17, 2012 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjohn (Post 849356)
Ohio uses modified OT, we can have a first an ten.

As does Wisconsin. Essentially they use NCAA OT.

waltjp Tue Jul 17, 2012 09:08pm

NJ too.

waltjp Tue Jul 17, 2012 09:13pm

Oh, hypotheticals.

How much time does it take between the snap and the time the ball crosses the goal line during a 19-yard field goal attempt?

Is that enough time for A88 to get 12 yards down field, and then be held in the end zone?


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