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JugglingReferee · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 10:28am

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Originally Posted by bigjohn

4th and 5 on B's10. Do you think this warranted a USC? See how far away the U was when he called it? What is the down and distance after this play?

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I don't see any foul in that clip.

InsideTheStripe · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 10:36am

Based solely on the clip, I would have a hard time calling that foul from that position. For all I know, he could have been asking the guy is he was alright. Without an accompanying unsportsmanlike gesture (the downward head tilt doesn't count), I wouldn't assume a taunt when another official is standing within hearing distance.

As others have noted though, previous events in the game could change that perspective.

parepat · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 10:52am

I do not see a personal foul on this play. The block was legal. If it was a USC for standing over the player, I don't see it unless he said something in which case the 2 other officials should have had a flag. However, without being there, you never really know.

asdf · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 11:24am

I see the big hypocrite is suddenly silent about possible illegal helmet contact since it's his team that created the contact.

He's griped about it for the last 5 years and when it's one of his kids....

chrip...chirp...chirp... go the crickets.

parepat · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 01:15pm

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Originally Posted by asdf

I see the big hypocrite is suddenly silent about possible illegal helmet contact since it's his team that created the contact.

He's griped about it for the last 5 years and when it's one of his kids....

chrip...chirp...chirp... go the crickets.

Did you see any illegal helmet contact? I didn't. Also, follow the enforcement. Referee could have at least moved at a slow jog instead of sauntering all over the field.

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by parepat

Did you see any illegal helmet contact? I didn't. Also, follow the enforcement. Referee could have at least moved at a slow jog instead of sauntering all over the field.

I did not see it for sure, but I see how it could have been called. And the point is BJ rants and raves about this not being called and it appears that this was probably the call. The umpire probably was trying to process this in his mind and threw the flag. After all, the signal was a PF not USC.

Peace

jchamp · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by asdf

I see the big hypocrite is suddenly silent about possible illegal helmet contact since it's his team that created the contact.

He's griped about it for the last 5 years and when it's one of his kids....

chrip...chirp...chirp... go the crickets.

It's possible that it was illegal helmet contact, but that's the only possible foul I see on the play. It looked (from the distant view that I get) as if he leaned into the B player with the shoulder. From the impact angle, it's certainly possible to drive into him with the helmet, and I won't begrudge an official for calling that if he gets a good look at it.
On the other hand, I only saw the personal foul signal from R.
Good block, too bad it took a player down with it. It's almost gotten stylish to wear your helmet so loose that the slightest wallop gets it knocked off. It's like kids think that shows they're playing hard. I wish there was a way to go back and see if their chin straps are actually on right, because there's no way the brain bucket should be popping off if it's secured properly without the snaps coming off, too.

GBFBUmp · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 02, 2011, 01:29pm

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Originally Posted by jchamp

. It's almost gotten stylish to wear your helmet so loose that the slightest wallop gets it knocked off. It's like kids think that shows they're playing hard. I wish there was a way to go back and see if their chin straps are actually on right, because there's no way the brain bucket should be popping off if it's secured properly without the snaps coming off, too.

JChamp... couldn't agree more on the propensity of helmets coming off recently. I agree that its because the kids are not wearing them properly. I have mentioned to coaches and players when this happens that they better check the fit.

Jim S · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 02, 2011, 02:23pm

I'm glad John gave all the information...finally. For that dead ball foul (warranted or not) the enforcement was incorrect. It should have been 1st & 10, not 1st & goal. If the foul had occured after the RFP then a 1st & goal would have been correct.
But guys, this points out a problem with many posts. Not getting the information up front to be able to respond to the actual question. Sometimes it's like reading a detective novel and finding out the killer was someone who wasn't even in the story.....

BTW about 20 years ago one of the Seattle tv traffic chopper pilots dropped me the game ball. And yes I caught it!

bob jenkins · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 01:31pm

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Originally Posted by asdf

I see the big hypocrite is suddenly silent about possible illegal helmet contact since it's his team that created the contact.

He's griped about it for the last 5 years and when it's one of his kids....

chrip...chirp...chirp... go the crickets.

If you mean "bigjohn", then there's a reason he hasn't responded today.

That said, I'm not sure what the personal attack adds to the conversation (and I'm somewhat, but not fully, aware of his posting history).

JRutledge · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you mean "bigjohn", then there's a reason he hasn't responded today.

That said, I'm not sure what the personal attack adds to the conversation (and I'm somewhat, but not fully, aware of his posting history).

And I am not sure what his post of the video is doing here either? None of us were there and we do not know what was called. He knows more than any of us as he was there and an explanation was given. Why would he bring that crap here? So to post this play to complain about officiating from him is been getting old. And when he rants about the very thing that might have been actually called, it rings hollow.

Peace

parepat · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 31, 2011, 02:12pm

I would say that it is very unlikely that this was a foul called on the block action given:

1. The delay in throwing the flag.
2. The fact that he doesn't start jogging until much later, like he saw something else after the play.
3. The fact that he threw the flag straight up in the air instead of at a particular spot.

My guess, it was an USC but ref gave wrong signal.