2 questions about high school football

[js2397]

High School Football Questions

Is there a limit on the number of times a team can decline the illegal procedure penalty one the kickoff when the kicking team is intentionally kicking out of bounds?

If a turnover occurs on a two point conversion can the defensive team return the ball for two points?

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by js2397

High School Football Questions

Is there a limit on the number of times a team can decline the illegal procedure penalty one the kickoff when the kicking team is intentionally kicking out of bounds?

If a turnover occurs on a two point conversion can the defensive team return the ball for two points?

Is there a rule that says that they can't intentionally kick out of bounds?

No - when B gains possession the ball is dead.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

No - when B gains possession the ball is dead.

Except in Texas and Massachusetts, of course.

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Except in Texas and Massachusetts, of course.

Fed experimented with this in Oregon a few years back. Not sure if it still is in effect.

As the R - I'm against it.

[jTheUmp]

Is there a limit on the number of times a team can decline the illegal procedure penalty one the kickoff when the kicking team is intentionally kicking out of bounds?

I'm not sure what you mean. If a free kick goes out of bounds untouched by R, R has three choices:
1) 5 yard penalty, rekick.
2) put the ball in play 25 yards beyond the previous spot. (normally R's 35 yard line).
3) put the ball in play at the out-of-bounds spot. (declining the penalty)

So you can decline the penalty every time K kicks out of bounds, but you're only going to get the chance to do that once per kick.

If a turnover occurs on a two point conversion can the defensive team return the ball for two points?

No. The ball is dead on a try once Team B gains possession.

[js2397]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I'm not sure what you mean. If a free kick goes out of bounds untouched by R, R has three choices:
1) 5 yard penalty, rekick.
2) put the ball in play 25 yards beyond the previous spot. (normally R's 35 yard line).
3) put the ball in play at the out-of-bounds spot. (declining the penalty)

So you can decline the penalty every time K kicks out of bounds, but you're only going to get the chance to do that once per kick.

I was told by an official that the receiving team could only make the kicking team rekick twice.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by js2397

I was told by an official that the receiving team could only make the kicking team rekick twice.

I have no clue what rule they are using to support that comment.

[bigjohn]

Well, THAT was the rule THAT night! right rut?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Well, THAT was the rule THAT night! right rut?

Can you ever stop being an azz!!!!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

I have no clue what rule they are using to support that comment.

I agree that no rule specifically limits rekicks to 2.

9-9 permits officials to invoke the "unfair acts" provision if they judge that a team is making a travesty of the game.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

I have no clue what rule they are using to support that comment.

Wellllll...there was a rule in the 19th Century that if you kicked off out of bounds, the other team then kicked off...and if each team did that twice in succession, then the original team K would scrimmage.

[bigjohn]

ART. 2 . . . No team shall repeatedly commit fouls which halve the distance to
the goal line

By this rule it would be after 8 kicks OOB.

[buckrog64]

js: you hear all sorts of stuff from all sorts of people in this 'business.' Last week I had a freshman coach inform me that there was no longer a difference in facemasking penalties between 5 or 15 yards. All were now 15. Another official had told him so. Hmmm, ok.

[js2397]

Thanks, the issue was another coach I know was kicking the ball out of bounds at the end of the half to keep the other team from returning the kick for a TD. He thought there was a limit on the number of times you could make the kicking team rekick. The officials that night said no and he had to kick in bounds and the return team scored a TD. I asked an official at my game the following week as did he and we got two different answers.

[wisref2]

Originally Posted by js2397

I was told by an official that the receiving team could only make the kicking team rekick twice.

That was the old NFL rule covering onside kicks out of bounds. It was never a high school rule.