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Tue Jan 21, 2003, 06:32pm
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sleeper,
I understand where youre coming from but what are youth mechanics? In my association we use the same mechanics for youth as we do for high school 3 man 4 man 5 man 6 man The associations I belong to you don't get on a high school field till you had at least 3 years on the grass with youth leagues. Our youth league covers 6 leagues from 55lbs to 145lbs, we also cover CYO grade school football jv(5th & 6th Grade) V (7th & 8th Grade) so I guess we do have a high surplus of officials. I belong to 4 associations Youth League(ARCO), Phila public league, Central board(catholic league) and PIAA none of these associations assign youth league except for ARCO and all but the PIAA want you to have 3 years on the grass before you join their association.Public league you have to have 3 years at youth level to get started on JV games, Central Board you need 3 years of youth and 4 years at the Freshman, JV level before you get a Varisty Catholic League Game. PIAA you join a chapter(mosty of people you know from your youth league and other associations) and hope to get 1 Varsity game your first year(PIAA will start tyou out with grade school and middle school games if you never officiated before). After that you may luck out and get on a crew. This coming year Phila Public League is joining the PIAA(state ran league). I guess I didn't know that some areas don't have many officials and need to fill games with new 1st year officials. In the philadelphia area we have plenty of officials,I think the most games I worked in 1 year was 80. 
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Wed Jan 22, 2003, 07:42am
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Everyone has given you excellent advice. I'd like to throw in my $0.02.
When you begin to study the rulebook, LEARN THE DEFINITIONS. I was told this my first year, and I THOUGHT I knew the definitions because I watched the NFL and College ball. Don't rely upon any presumed knowledge of the definitions. These are the keys to understanding the rest of the rules and the announcers defintions can vary greatly from the rulebook definitions.  After understanding and learning the definitions, then learn the football fundamentals listed in the back of the rulebook. Once you have a good understanding of these items, you will be well on your way to grasping the rest of the rules. And finally, keep posting here. This is an OUTSTANDING place to learn and ask questions. Good luck!
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Wed Jan 22, 2003, 09:47am
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HSWH,
Our association only covers Jr. High and High School. Youth leagues are covered by independent assignors. The mechanics are lax and a new official who only worked those games would develop bad habits that would hurt them later on. All of the first year guys work Jr. High and JV at different levels. Youth league is optional and outside the chapter. There were several first year guys in the chapter this year who had varsity games, including a couple of crews made up of all first year guys that covered private school and six-man football. I ended up on a crew and had nine varsity games my first year. It's a trial by fire, but the need is there. Some of the older veterans in the chapter remember the times when you started in youth league, but with the growth in the number of schools we cover and a gradual decrease in the number of officials, it has become necessary for new guys to work varsity contests. I don't know that I would have grown as fast and learned as much if I had just worked youth. I also can tell you that I wasn't ready for my first varsity game, either. But I am sure looking forward to next season.
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Strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. If I went around claiming I was an emperor just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they would put me away. -Monty Python-
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Wed Jan 22, 2003, 04:56pm
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Poosh, you mentioned 29 members...
REPLY: Poosh, the size of a local organization varies greatly depending on where it's located and the number of schools it needs to cover. My local association services the northern portion of NJ. It is one of the most densely populated areas in the US, having mostly city and town high schools as opposed to having many big regional schools. Our association has 425 active members and we can barely field enough officials to cover the varsity load on the weekends. We have a one-year training/mentoring program after which successful completion puts the official in line for varsity action the following season. They may not all be ready for it, but we have to play the numbers game.
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Wed Jan 22, 2003, 06:37pm
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Sleeper,
you mean to tell me your association put together varisty crews of all 1st year officials?
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Wed Jan 22, 2003, 06:37pm
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Thu Jan 23, 2003, 08:10am
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Yep. They called all private school games and did a pretty good job. The six-man games were called by a rotation of first year guys with an occasional second year guy mixed in. The guys on the crew all worked baseball together for several years, but it was their first year with football. There were several first year guys that either ended up with a crew slot or acted as a substitute.
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Strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. If I went around claiming I was an emperor just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they would put me away. -Monty Python-
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Sun Jan 26, 2003, 01:03pm
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My workout routines will usually start aroun May/June, with bike rides of around 20k (in and above my normal commute) three days out of seven, if I can make it stick. Some summer, my Sundays become my long-distance day, and I start stretching out 30km, 40km, etc. By July, I'm well into the 80-120km distance once every week, plus high end sprints and short intervals at high energy to really thrash the aerobic systems. Sometime in August, I start tuning up the running game with sprints (I haaaaate jogging, which is why I bike) to transfer the bike muscles into something ready for running. I also work on core exercises as well. An out-of-shape referee is one that is prone to making mistakes - especially when heat or a lengthy and hotly-contested game is involved. Just as tired, out-of-shape athletes make mistakes, the same holds true for officials. In fact, I firmly believe that all officials should be fit and that officials should be tested - and assigned - with their fitness levels in mind. There's too many old, fat, out-of-shape officials working the elite levels when they are clearly and physically unabele to do so. (I'm 37, so I may be old, but I ain't fat... too much, anyhow.) If there is NOTHING else you can do, get in shape and get good quality professional gear.
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Mon Jan 27, 2003, 09:23am
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Wed Jan 29, 2003, 08:54am
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Nope, Bob, we had a crew that was all rookies that did varsity, private school games. They had done baseball together for several years and wanted to stay together for football. We had another two crews that were on a weekly rotation made up of rookies and second year guys that did 6-man varsity games. In addition, there were several guys like me who either ended up as a permanent member of a crew or substituted on Friday nights.
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Strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. If I went around claiming I was an emperor just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they would put me away. -Monty Python-
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Wed Jan 29, 2003, 01:35pm
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My Mistake...
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Wed Jan 29, 2003, 01:52pm
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how well did a rookie white hat do in these varsity games?
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Wed Jan 29, 2003, 03:03pm
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As far as I know he did quite well. He spent a great deal of time calling sub-varsity games and learning the rules and mechanics. I am sure that his non-football officiating experience would make him more composed that a rookie without it. I can tell you that from a personal standpoint, I called with him midway through the season, and I was impressed. We worked a 5A JV game together and the varsity head coach was on the sideline. The coach is a nice guy but difficult to work with. The official in question did a great job of dealing with him and managing the game as well as the rules application. Many of the veterans I called with this past season didn't have a good grasp of the rules. In fact, the ones who did are pretty memorable, because I jumped at the chance to call with them multiple times to learn. I would call with this official again.
I am not advocating this for every first year guy, but I can tell you that the right person with a dedication to learning and getting better can pull it off successfully. I worked with other first year guys who will need a couple of more years of seasoning before they call a varsity game. So I guess it varies from person to person.
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Strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. If I went around claiming I was an emperor just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they would put me away. -Monty Python-
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