and yet another scrimmage kick play

[James Neil]

NF and NCAA answers welcome

K 4/10 R-20. K2's FG attempt is blocked at the line of scrimmage by R. The ball continues beyond the line of scrimmage, bounces at the R-1 and is recovered by R26 in the end-zone. R26 runs to the R10 where he is tackled. During the kick, R75 blocked below the waist at the R-15.

[Derock1986]

Originally posted by James Neil
NF and NCAA answers welcome

K 4/10 R-20. K2's FG attempt is blocked at the line of scrimmage by R. The ball continues beyond the line of scrimmage, bounces at the R-1 and is recovered by R26 in the end-zone. R26 runs to the R10 where he is tackled. During the kick, R75 blocked below the waist at the R-15.

R recovers in the end-zone. Touchback.

R is penalized half the distance from the 15.

R has 1st and 10 from their own 7 1/2 yard line.

[HighSchoolWhiteHat]

nfhs rules

1st and goal for K

[James Neil]

Originally posted by Derock1986

R recovers in the end-zone. Touchback.

R is penalized half the distance from the 15.

R has 1st and 10 from their own 7 1/2 yard line.

Derock, I said NF and NCAA answers welcome. Please no more Anti-Refing rulings .You just gave the ball to the wrong team! Find your rule book again and redo your enforcement. And remember, it’s better to get it right then to do it fast. Here’s a little hint. Scrimmage kicks are in the category of “loose ball plays”. The basic spot for a foul that occurs during a loose ball play is the previous spot.

[James Neil]

Originally posted by HighSchoolWhiteHat
nfhs rules

1st and goal for K

Agree HSWH, and I would rule the same in a game situation .....BUT! I was extremely anal in my rulings on this play and went a few steps further, well quite a few steps really. And in both directions at that! LOL. I figured since I had a chance I would take into account all aspects that might apply here. Want to take a guess at what I did? 8^)

[HighSchoolWhiteHat]

the only other thing i can think of is you blew the ball dead once it went into the end zone?

[HighSchoolWhiteHat]

1st and goal at r-10 for k

[mikesears]

Originally posted by James Neil
NF and NCAA answers welcome

K 4/10 R-20. K2's FG attempt is blocked at the line of scrimmage by R.

This touching is ignored.

The ball continues beyond the line of scrimmage, bounces at the R-1 and is recovered by R26 in the end-zone.

1. If the scimmage kick went into the endzone, it is a touchback and a dead ball.

2. If it was recovered by R26 in the field of play and he carried the ball into the endzone, we have a different story. It is still a live ball.

R26 runs to the R10 where he is tackled. During the kick, R75 blocked below the waist at the R-15.

1. We have a real mess on our hands because the covering official failed to blow the play dead. Mental note: Chew out the crew member at half or end of game. Then penalize the B.B.W. as a loose ball foul, half the distance to the goal from previous spot (to the 10) and K gets a first down because the penalty took them beyond the line-to-gain. If you wanted to be really anal, you could also assess the run by R26 as a delay of game foul but I wouldn't suggest it unless you have a police escort off the field.

2. Loose ball play, previous spot enforcement (unless playing under PSK enforcement provisions).
Loose-ball play. K's ball 1/10 at the 10.

[James Neil]

1. We have a real mess on our hands because the covering official failed to blow the play dead.
If you wanted to be really anal, you could also assess the run by R26 as a delay of game foul but I wouldn't suggest it unless you have a police escort off the field.
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Mike I'm going to need more then a police escort to get out of this mess. You see when I get anal; I go ALL THE WAY BABY!

Here’s how I look at this and what I did. Please remember this enforcement is for study purposes only and I don’t think I'd try this in public LOL

Unsuccessful field goal attempts that end up live in the field of play or out of bounds between the goals are handled just like a punt. And since all kicks (except successful FGs) that that break the plane of R’s goal line are dead and TBs, B26 should not be running it anywhere. Now if the covering official blew this play dead as he should have as soon as the ball crossed the plane of R’s goal, we might have to penalize R for a dead ball delay of game, and then assess a dead ball personal foul against the K player who tackled him. This will be done in the order of their occurrence after enforcing R75’s blocked below the waist that K will most likely accept. This foul occurred during a loose ball play and will be enforced from the previous spot half the distance making it K 1/10 @ R-10. But then we must deal with the dead ball fouls before seeing if it’s necessary to set the chains. After all is said and done I got K 1/10 @ K-20

How bout dem apples? Anal to the extreme 8^)

BTW ...how about the clock guys?

[HighSchoolWhiteHat]

when you go all the way you really go all the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

lol

[mikesears]

Originally posted by James Neil

1. We have a real mess on our hands because the covering official failed to blow the play dead.
If you wanted to be really anal, you could also assess the run by R26 as a delay of game foul but I wouldn't suggest it unless you have a police escort off the field.

Mike I'm going to need more then a police escort to get out of this mess. You see when I get anal; I go ALL THE WAY BABY!

Here’s how I look at this and what I did. Please remember this enforcement is for study purposes only and I don’t think I'd try this in public LOL

Unsuccessful field goal attempts that end up live in the field of play or out of bounds between the goals are handled just like a punt. And since all kicks (except successful FGs) that that break the plane of R’s goal line are dead and TBs, B26 should not be running it anywhere. Now if the covering official blew this play dead as he should have as soon as the ball crossed the plane of R’s goal, we might have to penalize R for a dead ball delay of game, and then assess a dead ball personal foul against the K player who tackled him. This will be done in the order of their occurrence after enforcing R75’s blocked below the waist that K will most likely accept. This foul occurred during a loose ball play and will be enforced from the previous spot half the distance making it K 1/10 @ R-10. But then we must deal with the dead ball fouls before seeing if it’s necessary to set the chains. After all is said and done I got K 1/10 @ K-20

How bout dem apples? Anal to the extreme 8^)

BTW ...how about the clock guys?
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I have to agree with HSWH. HE .... COULD.... GO ..... ALL .... THE .... WAY!

To answer your question, clock will start on the snap because A was awarded a new series following a legal kick.

[JMN]

Thanks for the post. I went back and forth on this one until I again realized that this was an unsuccessful field goal attempt in the field of play and thus still a kick when it crossed the goal line (TB). The kicking game is always problematic to me. Got to put on the ol thinking cap.

Mike, BTW, I think you probably meant K1/10 @ R-20 9R-20 vs. K-20) Sorry to be so nitpicky!

[James Neil]

Mike, BTW, I think you probably meant K1/10 @ R-20 9R-20 vs. K-20) Sorry to be so nitpicky! [/B][/QUOTE]

LOL , well since you're being so nitpicky JMN that was me with the typo ... (talk about being anal 8^) LOL good catch !

[ABoselli]

The kicking game is also the most troublesome to me. Everything is so spread out on free kicks and on scrimmage kicks, there's a change right in the middle of the play and everybody gets new restrictions. I say to myself before each scrimmage kick the colors of K and R ("K is red, R is white" over and over) so it's clear in my mind.

We also signal each other when a scrimmage kick is live (a FG) so everybody remembers that it's just like a punt - the illegal procedure signal - and we can haul *** to our respective positions if something crazy happens.

[mikesears]

Originally posted by James Neil


Mike, BTW, I think you probably meant K1/10 @ R-20 9R-20 vs. K-20) Sorry to be so nitpicky!

LOL , well since you're being so nitpicky JMN that was me with the typo ... (talk about being anal 8^) LOL good catch ! [/B][/QUOTE]

You're right.