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Old Fri Oct 08, 2010, 11:22pm
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Imagine my surprise that there was no provision in NCAA rules to eject a coach unless he makes inentional contact with an official.
Actually, there is: its called a fight, though admittedly that would be very unusual.

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under NCAA and NFL rules, the penalty would be declined. Only personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties can carry over.
Can't speak to NFL, but ALL NCAA dead ball fouls (or live ball fouls treated as dead ball fouls) carry over; not just PF/USC. Plus, there's no specific provision for USC fouls -- if live ball, they fall under the rules governing all other live ball fouls. If dead ball, after the TD, then they conform to dead ball fouls.

I bring this up because there are too many that group USC and PF's together. They are NOT the same and have very different enforcement procedures (no auto first down for USC, for example).

Carryover for DPI is just dumb, in my view. Fed needs to change that rule. While DPI should be considered different than, say, holding, it isn't a personal foul and shouldn't be grouped similarly.
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Old Sat Oct 09, 2010, 12:58am
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I know a lot of officials will hold the flag and will keep it in the belt if the catch is made.

I would rather my crew flag it -- I can't be responsible for a poorly thought-out rule, and a late flag when the pass is incomplete doesn't put us in the best light.
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Old Sat Oct 09, 2010, 01:03am
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Carryover for DPI is just dumb, in my view. Fed needs to change that rule. While DPI should be considered different than, say, holding, it isn't a personal foul and shouldn't be grouped similarly.
The Fed tries to simplify things like this so its' easy to enforce. What's easy? Penalize all B live ball fouls on a scoring play.
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Old Sat Oct 09, 2010, 01:05am
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Actually, there is: its called a fight, though admittedly that would be very unusual.
Sorry to take this further off topic but are you aware of any UIL exception allowing us to eject a coach for poor behavior? I'm not, of course, looking to eject anyone but it is a tool I'd like to have available if needed.
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Old Sat Oct 09, 2010, 07:38am
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Carryover for DPI is just dumb, in my view. Fed needs to change that rule. While DPI should be considered different than, say, holding, it isn't a personal foul and shouldn't be grouped similarly.
The FED rule is not limited to dpi. Any live ball foul by the defense can be accepted, the score still count and the penalty assessed on either the try or the subsequent kickoff. Also, any dead ball foul after the score and before the RFP, including fouls by A, can be carried over to kickoff. It's a screwed up deal, IMO. I wish we would go back to REAL football.
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