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Team b is winning by 5 35-30. Team A scores on a pass and we have a live ball 15 yd foul and a dead ball 15 yard foul on A. B will take both penalties on the kickoff. During a missed try team A is charged with a 15 yard live ball foul. Team B will take this penalty on the kickoff. The score is now 36-35 Team A winning with 15 seconds left in the game. Can Team B kickoff from the 30, hope to get an on side kick inside the 20 and try a field goal to win the game.
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And if they did enforce just 2 penalties, wouldn't those be enough to move their spot for a chosen kickoff to the non-offending team's 30 in Fed? |
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Also, Team B is not going to kick.
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The OP wrote, "Can Team B kickoff from the 30, hope to get an on side kick inside the 20 and try a field goal to win the game." Team B isn't going to kick off. Team A is. And Team A is NOT going to kick an onside kick when they're winning a game with 15 seconds remaining. The entire premise of the original post makes no sense whatsover.
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Didn't I read somewhere that the opponents of the scoring team determine which team kicksoff following a score, so couldn't team B decide to kickoff after a Team A Score, and go down in history as the craziest bunch of yahoos to play the game since the invention of the forward pass?
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So B could elect to kick off, take the penalties try an onside kick and recover it, and kick the field goal to win the game. |
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Got news for you my friend. Coaches don't know that rule.
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It depends on the nature of the live ball 15-yard penalty. But yes, it is possible for B to kickoff to A, with the three (3) 15-yard fouls enforced, leaving B kicking from the A-20.
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That's OK. Many officials don't either. It's an odd rule that i had someone explain to me one time but it never happens so it's never been brought up to the rules committee.
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That used to be the Rule in NCAA. But they changed it a few years back to explicitly state that the team who scored the TD / FG are the ones who kick off.
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About 30 years ago the NFL eliminated the choice of kickoff after a TD & try, and 2 yrs. later eliminated the choice after a FG. I think the reason for NFL, and now NCAA, to eliminate the choice was to eliminate one conversation with the team captain that might've resulted in a misunderstanding, when nobody had asked to kick off in a while anyway. I used to see the referee point to the team that was scored on as their defense squad was running off, and I could only imagine he was muttering, "Kick or receive?" and pretending to pay att'n to the answer. The only time during my life that I saw the scored-on team to choose to kick off was a televised CFL game during an NFL strike in the 1980s. The team that was behind had scored a TD, recovered their own kickoff, and driven to score another. After that one, the team protecting their lead chose to kick off (deep) to prevent another onside recovery. It's more of a threat in Canadian football because the team kicking off doesn't have to allow opp'ty for team R to catch the ball -- a rugby style chip to the side was what the team that was behind had used -- and the ball stays live after K recovery. That game was before they moved the spot of the kickoff back from the 45 to the 35. In standard Rugby Union it's still the scored-on team that must kick off. However, in 7-a-side Hong Kong rules their opponents kick off. And of course in soccer, where the dynamics are very different, the scored-on team kicks off. Last edited by Robert Goodman; Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 09:12am. |
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